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Post by Dark Avenger on Feb 1, 2020 22:46:42 GMT -5
I was a kid in the early 90s and a teenager throughout most of the decade, to this day I have a soft spot for 90s alternative music and TV. The first half of the 90s had great music and I loved watching Beavis and Butthead and MTV in general, finding new artists on 120 Minutes and Headbangers Ball. This is me 100%, even though I was only a baby in the early 90s. Feel free to start threads about any of these things, Vanessa. I'd love to have someone to discuss them with. I remember in Australia we had some hot 50 music hits of the week, it played every Saturday Morning from 6AM until 9AM, I most weekends, got up early and watched it in bed on my small television in my room. Was so much fun to see during the late 90s. I always remember I used to record some shows like Buffy or Angel (it aired fairly late for me in Australia at 10) so I woke up early before school to see them. I also miss the cartoons shows too. I have a soft spot for Rugrats, Hell Arnold and other shows that aired in the 90s and the teen shows.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Feb 1, 2020 22:50:19 GMT -5
One step forward, five steps back.
Not to mention streaming. Oh don't get me started...
It all went to hell in the 10s with television. Known as the reboot/remake era. I personally think quality television with stuff that hasn't already been done died somewhere in the mid to late 00s. The last huge breakout hits of network television was 24, Lost and Desperate Housewives in the mid 00s. They were huge, then it all went downhill after that for network television when it got to the 10s, and streaming took over. I think for me, I like the late 90s/early 00s with television shows. Once we got to the late 00s, that is when things took a turn for worse.
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Post by Tim on Feb 2, 2020 0:52:54 GMT -5
Interesting that its the current era that most of us hate the most.
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Post by Squad 51 on Feb 2, 2020 7:50:21 GMT -5
Impressing for me were the late 1980ies, early 1990ies. My time growing up and with the wall coming down right then, well, all upside down. Music tastes, values, anything. Naturally, the pop culture had the greatest influence thanks to Erasure, Depeche Mode etc. And ABBA for me thanks to Erasure and their cover versions. The music channels were then what they were meant to be - showing music videos of stars. Now all is gone.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Feb 2, 2020 9:28:25 GMT -5
Interesting that its the current era that most of us hate the most.
I know, I grew up listening to oldies music and watching vintage TV and films with my dad so I developed a taste for older things at a young age. He only listened to 60’s and 70s music and was a big film and TV buff, we watched a lot of AMC back when they showed old Hollywood films and reruns of 60’s shows. I think older films generally are more interesting to watch than modern films, since the Production Code forbade a lot of stuff screenwriters had to be creative instead of relying on special effects, sex and violence. I recently watched The Blue Dahlia on TCM with Alan Ladd and Veronica Lake which is a 40s film noir and it was brilliant and tense, but without the sex and explicit violence one sees in a modern crime thriller. He’s trying to find his wife’s killer and there’s a lot of suspects but the police think he’s the main suspect, only gangsters are seen getting shot and they just fall over. Plus Veronica Lake is a sexy gangster’s woman but in a subtle way, there’s no nudity which I find to be tasteless in films. And the killer isn’t revealed until the very end, I was on edge throughout much of the film. A remake would be full of nudity, gory violence and loads of F-bombs, the original might be too “boring” for modern tastes 🤬
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Post by Tim on Feb 2, 2020 12:37:29 GMT -5
Oh yeah, the F-bombs. I have to put up with that on the Picard show, because it's not on a network.
While I don't want the Hays Code back, some restrictions need to be made.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Feb 2, 2020 13:12:21 GMT -5
It’s not F-bombs per se I have a problem with, it’s in the context. Picard might appeal to some young people since it’s a sci fi show and Star Trek is a well known franchise so swear words could be inappropriate. An R-rated action thriller geared to an adult audience with loads of F-Bombs is slightly different since it’s not geared to children and hopefully parents aren’t that irresponsible to let kids watch it. I’ve seen Scarface with Al Pacino and all the violence and swearing doesn’t shock me since it makes sense in context, plus I saw it for the first time as an adult. I’d be horrified if one of my baby cousins saw it since it isn’t appropriate for kids, but I have no problems adults watching it sense all the violence makes sense in context. But the original from the 30s is just as good, just different time periods
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 2, 2020 14:23:09 GMT -5
Same with me on TV shows during the '90s. The one's I liked I recorded on VHS before DVD's came out which I still have funnily but not watched in ages obviously.
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Post by Tim on Feb 2, 2020 18:15:15 GMT -5
Except that none of the older Trek shows had f-bombs. They were on networks, so they had restrictions.
Take me back to the 80's. Take me back and leave me there.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Feb 2, 2020 19:09:58 GMT -5
Same with me on TV shows during the '90s. The one's I liked I recorded on VHS before DVD's cane out which I still have funnily but not watched in ages obviously. I'm the same. I still have some, I know I got rid of some of my Charmed and Buffy ones, but that is because I have them on DVD. I am hoping, to download some of the 90s' classics, and maybe get rid of my VHS collection, yes, it is stored away in storage, and haven't touched it in years. But some 90s shows on VHS, have the original music. Because the rights to them meant they released some shows on streaming and DVD without the original music in-tact, why I'm somewhat keeping the old VHS, as its the only copy with the original music, I'd have.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 2, 2020 20:14:07 GMT -5
But some 90s shows on VHS, have the original music. Because the rights to them meant they released some shows on streaming and DVD without the original music in-tact, why I'm somewhat keeping the old VHS, as its the only copy with the original music, I'd have. I wish this crap would get cleared up. It still pisses me off that I've been unable to watch BH 90210 and Daria with the original music intact since reruns 15 years ago. The DVD releases of both shows completely replaced all of the music with generic stuff, so you're getting a cut down version of what was originally aired. Like, those songs were used for a reason. Songs get used in TV shows to enhance scenes. They aren't just plopped in there to add sound effects. You fundamentally change the the scene (and its meaning) when you replace the music!
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Post by Dark Avenger on Feb 2, 2020 20:40:50 GMT -5
But some 90s shows on VHS, have the original music. Because the rights to them meant they released some shows on streaming and DVD without the original music in-tact, why I'm somewhat keeping the old VHS, as its the only copy with the original music, I'd have. I wish this crap would get cleared up. It still pisses me off that I've been unable to watch BH 90210 and Daria with the original music intact since reruns 15 years ago. The DVD releases of both shows completely replaced all of the music with generic stuff, so you're getting a cut down version of what was originally aired. Like, those songs were used for a reason. Songs get used in TV shows to enhance scenes. They aren't just plopped in there to add sound effects. You fundamentally change the the scene (and its meaning) when you replace the music! Tell me about it. I feel your pain. I agree, some episodes the music plays a big part in the episode, and it changes the whole meaning of the scene. One problem with streaming I loathe, most people who are watching for the first time, will have no idea the original music is replaced, and think this is how it was.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Feb 2, 2020 21:18:57 GMT -5
That's why on my Beavis and Butthead DVD'S the music videos are separate from the episodes and there are only a handful on each set, those were some of the best parts of the show. It was hilarious to see them go psycho over Michael Bolton or hair metal and headbang to Slayer. Dumb as they were, they did have good taste in music
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Post by Tim on Feb 3, 2020 0:38:31 GMT -5
Yeah, they need to go something about that.
Stupid laws like this is why season eight of Charmed had to replace How Soon Is Now with some generic theme.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 3, 2020 0:41:49 GMT -5
Tell me about it. I feel your pain. I agree, some episodes the music plays a big part in the episode, and it changes the whole meaning of the scene. One problem with streaming I loathe, most people who are watching for the first time, will have no idea the original music is replaced, and think this is how it was. As I said, these shows used music for artistic effect. Scenes had certain songs play over them because the writers/producers thought the song would set the mood or enhance the emotional impact. You can't just swap out the song for some royalty-free YouTube Muzak and expect it to be the same as the original. Sadly, this may actually be one reason why most shows made before 2000 struggle to get respect in most critic and fandom circles nowadays. Music rights stupidity has ensured that we only get butchered versions of older shows on DVD and streaming sites, while newer shows have been minimally affected by this (since music licensing for TV shows now factors in DVDs and streaming). That's why on my Beavis and Butthead DVD'S the music videos are separate from the episodes and there are only a handful on each set, those were some of the best parts of the show. It was hilarious to see them go psycho over Michael Bolton or hair metal and headbang to Slayer. Dumb as they were, they did have good taste in music Yeah, Beavis & Butthead got luckier with its DVDs than its spinoff, but many of the music videos were sadly still cut. The Daria DVDs especially piss me off because that show had an amazing alt/indie rock soundtrack. I can name many songs that I only discovered from watching that show. And, now, that music is all gone!
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