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Post by Tim on Nov 19, 2020 12:35:03 GMT -5
Like the generation in Germany after the First World War. The felt that Germany had been "stabbed in the back" by the new democratic government and there were rumblings of discontent for years. Then Hitler came along and...
Sadly, history can, and has, repeated itself.
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Post by Squad 51 on Nov 19, 2020 14:46:18 GMT -5
Yeah, this was our downfall, leading directly to Hitler. Too many government during the Weimarian Republic and the Reichs-President had too much power, meaning he could name the Reichs-Chancellor. There were also a lot of fights on the streets. About "being stabbed in the back" by the democrats, that was established by Hindenburg who never told the people the truth about it since he definitely knew about it!!
Scary now that it's happening in the USA, one of the oldest democracy. *shudder*
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Post by BettyNewbie on Nov 19, 2020 15:02:03 GMT -5
Like the generation in Germany after the First World War. The felt that Germany had been "stabbed in the back" by the new democratic government and there were rumblings of discontent for years. Then Hitler came along and... Sadly, history can, and has, repeated itself.
That generation has a name -- the Lost Generation. And, you can see many parallels between them and Gen X. The Lost Generation was also heavily defined by cynicism, nihilism, and disillusionment (and not just in Germany). Their prime early adulthood got cut down by WWI, and the Great Depression hit right when they were supposed to be hitting middle age stability (similar to the impact the Great Recession had on Gen X). They came to view democracy and free trade as inherently corrupt, hence the reason why so many of them later embraced fascism and authoritarianism in the 1930s.
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2020 1:13:07 GMT -5
Good lord, it was closer than I thought.
Seems some learn nothing from history.
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Post by Squad 51 on Nov 20, 2020 11:17:02 GMT -5
And then there are groups existing who think that the "white people" should overpower anyone with a different "color", religion and so on. That's another fact in that drama. Which had led to our downfall with Hitler and WW II. Race became law and that's never good. Hope really that we don't see history repeat itself. *sighs*
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2020 12:13:32 GMT -5
Let's just hope that, with Biden taking over, these groups wont have the same influence they had with Orange.
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Post by Squad 51 on Nov 20, 2020 14:02:15 GMT -5
Cross my fingers here!
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Post by BettyNewbie on Nov 20, 2020 14:38:39 GMT -5
Another growing problem has been the overconcentration of wealth and development on the coasts since the early 80s. The crony capitalism of the Reagan Era lobotomized industries and jobs in the country's heartland cities, resulting in growing income inequality and massive brain drain to the coasts. And, this is hurting Democrats badly. As more young, educated people leave heartland cities for better job opportunities in places like NYC, DC, and LA, interior states become more rural, less educated, and increasingly redder. This is what caused formerly blue Wisconsin to turn purple and formerly purple Ohio and Missouri to turn blood red. And, the more interior states that turn blood red, the harder it will be for Democrats to win the Senate and presidency. This has also fueled the radicalization of the right. Less educated and more desperate people are easier to manipulate with propaganda, which has become more accessible than ever in the internet age.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Nov 20, 2020 15:56:25 GMT -5
A really good book about this phenomenon is Hillbilly Elegy by JD Vance, he’s from a rust belt town in Ohio and his family is originally from Kentucky. His town went into steep decline after the local steel plant went out of business in the 90s and he documents how many people he knew got into drugs, evangelical Christianity and conspiracy theories. He had neighbors who were such pill heads they would let the kids run about the neighborhood in diapers and his grandma would have to feed them since the parents were so stoned.
Vance also mentioned how his dad belonged to an Evangelical church where the pastor thought the Clintons were lizard people and that rock music was satanic, plus he had family members who believed birther crap about Obama and all sorts of conspiracy theory. Since he’s a conservative, he thinks his fellow Ohio hillbillies should stop taking drugs and blaming lizard people and Democrats, but he does have a point. Since his neighbors weren’t very educated hillbillies, they’re more susceptible to this.
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Post by Squad 51 on Nov 20, 2020 17:08:44 GMT -5
I think this is a tendency happening all over the world. The cities are growing whereas the country loses especially young people and leaves the old one behind. And with this, the people remaining there believe in conspiracies and other things whereas in the cities, people stay more open.
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2020 18:37:58 GMT -5
WHAT!?!?
Please tell me this is a joke!
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Nov 20, 2020 18:50:44 GMT -5
Sadly, this isn’t a joke. Many Evangelicals think Democrat politicians are evil and believe all sorts of conspiracy theories, there’s a reason why wealthy and educated people don’t become Evangelical Christians. Evangelical Christianity tends to appeal to less educated and poor people, it’s based on emotion rather than logic. Vance has said that he thought Christians were stupid until he converted to Catholicism, the Evangelical church he went to as a kid was exactly like this. This is why many people think Christians are stupid, Evangelicals make us look bad since they’re so vocal and outrageous and such big Trump supporters
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Post by Tim on Nov 20, 2020 19:02:40 GMT -5
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Nov 21, 2020 18:36:24 GMT -5
LOL, but Jethro was just a harmless idiot. It’s scary that there’s people who think like this, it gives Christians a bad name. I’m a Christian Catholic myself and these folks make me cringe, it’s embarrassing. I doubt Jesus would want His followers to be that stupid, John Lennon might have been right when he said Jesus’ followers were thick and ordinary. Evangelical Christianity sadly is popular with poor and less educated people
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Post by Tim on Nov 21, 2020 18:52:30 GMT -5
I know. I've tried to reason with these people, but it's futile.
No matter how much evidence you can provide, they just won't see it.
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