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Post by Astral Echo on Feb 5, 2021 8:14:17 GMT -5
WandaVision (Disney+) Created by: Jac Schaeffer
Starring Elizabeth Olsen (Wanda), Paul Bettany (Vision), Teyonah Parris (Monica), Kathryn Hahn (Agnes), Randall Park (Jimmy) and Kat Dennings (Darcy).
Anybody watching this over on Disney+? I've always been a massive fan of Elizabeth Olsen's Wanda Maximoff so I'm really glad she's been given her own series. Definitely some interesting elements at work here and the involvement of the likes of Darcy, Monica and Jimmy Woo is really interesting. So far I'm really enjoying it but I kind of wish I had waited to binge it all at once, you know? If admins would prefer, I/they could change this thread to encompasses all Disney+ Marvel shows?
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Post by Tim on Feb 5, 2021 12:58:54 GMT -5
Heard of this, but haven't seen it yet.
Guess it's set in the Marvel Cinematic universe, as Kat Dennings's character is in it.
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Post by Trinity on Feb 5, 2021 14:03:30 GMT -5
I don't have Disney+ but I heard good things about this show.
Does this have an old style Hollywood feel to it? I know Emma Caulfield who was on Buffy is in it.
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Post by Astral Echo on Feb 5, 2021 15:30:24 GMT -5
Yes, it's our introduction to Phase 4 of the MCU. And an interesting place to start. I was chatting to a friend today about how I think they may have made a mistake putting this out first as it sets a really bar for Falcon and the Winter Soldier and other future MCU shows. And yes, Trinity . It certainly leans into all the popular comedy tropes of the 50's, 60's and now the 70's. For those of us that love an Easter Egg, there are plenty of those. Every episode drip gives you a little tease of what's to come and it's really fun trying to pick up on those subtle little nods. Screen Crush on YouTube do a really great job on picking on them which is really helpful. Today's episode dropped an almighty plot twist that could mean MASSIVE things for the future of the MCU.
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Post by adzpower on Feb 5, 2021 16:31:02 GMT -5
I've been watching it each week as it comes out, I can't wait for more. I grew up reading X-men comics so I've always been a fan of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, I was very pleased when Marvel announced she was getting her own show, caught the newest episode earlier and what an ending! The fact that I'm a big X-men fan should give you an idea as to how happy I was when a certain someone showed up there at the end.
If he really is who we think he is then its about damn time the MCU welcomes the mutants into their world, never felt even close to complete without them. I'd be interested to see if they retcon Wanda's origin if this is really happening, since they altered it for the MCU.
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Post by Astral Echo on Feb 5, 2021 16:49:19 GMT -5
I've been watching it each week as it comes out, I can't wait for more. I grew up reading X-men comics so I've always been a fan of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver, I was very pleased when Marvel announced she was getting her own show, caught the newest episode earlier and what an ending! The fact that I'm a big X-men fan should give you an idea as to how happy I was when a certain someone showed up there at the end. If he really is who we think he is then its about damn time the MCU welcomes the mutants into their world, never felt even close to complete without them. I'd be interested to see if they retcon Wanda's origin if this is really happening, since they altered it for the MCU. It's been so good, hasn't it? What they've been doing with the aspect ratio, the hexagons etc. And that scene from Episode 4, I almost jumped out of my skin when I saw Vision. Spooky stuff. And yes, that ending to episode 5... I'll switch to Spoiler tags to avoid spoiling it for anyone who hasn't seen it or intends to catch up at a later date. Do you think it's Peter from the Fox universe then? I've seen a few theories doing the rounds and it actually being him would certainly be the most interesting. I was a massive fan of Evan Peters version of the character as they really nailed the effects with some truly memorable sequences and Peters is such a charismatic actor.
So these are the theories that I've seen...
A) Wanda subconsciously pulled Pietro from another dimension. But from her reaction, it wasn't something she was remotely aware of. She knows she's controlling West View and she knows she reanimated Vision's corpse but she seem shocked to see Pietro. Is she not as in control as she believes she is? Also, he answered to Pietro suggesting to me that it's unlikely he's Fox's Peter but I don't know.
B) She's surprised because it wasn't her and it's not actually Pietro. Instead, he's actually the embodiment of Mephisto and after the twins. He's come as he's start to lose his grip on the reality because Vision is slowly becoming more aware.
C) He's simply a bit of stunt casting and Evan Peters isn't actually playing Peter or Pietro and he's simply another resident of West View being manipulated by either Wanda or another more malevolent character. And what do you think about Agnes? I'm loving Kathryn Hahn. I recognise her but I'm not sure I've actually ever seen her in anything. Think she rose to prominence through Parks and Rec if I'm not mistaken?
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Post by adzpower on Feb 5, 2021 17:27:16 GMT -5
Those theories are basically everything I was thinking as well, I really hope he is just playing Pietro from now on, and this is just the start of merging the universes. When they announced they had gotten the rights back I thought they would have to go back and rewrite reality to include them in some way, because it wouldn't make sense for them to just start appearing after everything that has already happened in the MCU, and its not like they'd hide for decades either. Retconning reality is the only plausible way to do it imo.
As for the theories provided. A) could be very likely with the upcoming dr strange movie, and like you said she called him Pietro and not Peter, and he responded like nothing was wrong.
B)I think this might be the most plausible theory, definitely feels like someone is pulling the strings in the background, and Mephisto seems likely. I hope this isn't the case though, in-show it doesn't make sense, why would Mephisto take the face of a Pietro she doesn't know?
C) Possible, but from what I know MCU doesn't tend to do things like that, they tend to keep everything secret and then do big reveals. Could be a resident, but again why would she give a random resident the face of a Pietro she wouldn't know?
Loving the show, first of all finally giving Wanda her deserved screentime and spotlight, she has always been awesome in every appearance, but here Elizabeth is really getting the chance to shine.
I don't know much about Kathryn as I don't really watch sitcoms, but I had heard of her beforehand, and I'm loving Agnes, still not sure of what or who she might really be, but I guess we'll see.
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Post by Tim on Feb 5, 2021 18:08:07 GMT -5
Unlike DC, all of Marvels movies and television shows (Agents OF SHIELD, Agent Carter, and WandaVision) take place in the same reality.
So characters from the movies can show up on TV and vice-versa.
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Post by Astral Echo on Feb 5, 2021 18:29:17 GMT -5
Unlike DC, all of Marvels movies and television shows (Agents OF SHIELD, Agent Carter, and WandaVision) take place in the same reality.
So characters from the movies can show up on TV and vice-versa.
Not necessarily. The Netflix shows aren't considered canon and Agents of SHIELD while it started in the same universe as the films, diverged away from them after Season 2 or 3. The new Disney+ shows are directly tied to the movies though. It does remain to be seen how they address that on the big screen. They've been pretty good so far at ensuring audiences don't have to watch everything but the wider the universe gets, the harder that's going to be.
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Post by Tim on Feb 5, 2021 18:37:25 GMT -5
Didn't realize that. Maybe because the same actors playing the same characters, are involved.
With DC it's easier. The Arrowverse and the DCEU are clearly two separate things, as we have different actors playing Superman and the Flash, for example.
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Post by adzpower on Feb 6, 2021 10:07:20 GMT -5
Yeah from what I remember Agents of Shield did try to stay within the confines of the MCU for a few years, but it got harder and harder for them to do so as the showrunners there were never told any plans, so they couldn't stick to the same kind of stories, in the end around season 4 they just diverged into their own thing, and it worked well, but its a shame the top dogs at the MCU weren't more open about how the show could incorporate more things from the wider universe into it.
As for the netflix shows, there is a rumor that Daredevil will appear in Spider-Man 3 and that Jessica Jones is going to show up in She-hulk (another Disney plus show), so if that does indeed happen, I guess we can call them canon.
What I think Marvel is going to start doing is consider all non-MCU films as multiverse canon so to speak, so X-men, Spider-Man etc, didn't happen in their universe, but it did happen in the wider Marvel multiverse. And with recent scenes in Wandavision, I think this has a high chance of happening.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 6, 2021 10:29:25 GMT -5
Also many times people have said how Daisy Johnson (Quake) should be in one of the MCU films being how powerful she was and how she could be an actual Avenger with fan made videos on YouTube I've seen placing her or the AOS team inside events like the Sokovia incident in Age Of Ultron for instance.
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Post by Tim on Feb 6, 2021 12:28:48 GMT -5
It could happen.
Ezra Pound, the DCEU Flash, cameoed on the Arrowverse Flash, during Crisis.
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Post by Astral Echo on Feb 6, 2021 17:03:08 GMT -5
Yeah from what I remember Agents of Shield did try to stay within the confines of the MCU for a few years, but it got harder and harder for them to do so as the showrunners there were never told any plans, so they couldn't stick to the same kind of stories, in the end around season 4 they just diverged into their own thing, and it worked well, but its a shame the top dogs at the MCU weren't more open about how the show could incorporate more things from the wider universe into it. As for the netflix shows, there is a rumor that Daredevil will appear in Spider-Man 3 and that Jessica Jones is going to show up in She-hulk (another Disney plus show), so if that does indeed happen, I guess we can call them canon. What I think Marvel is going to start doing is consider all non-MCU films as multiverse canon so to speak, so X-men, Spider-Man etc, didn't happen in their universe, but it did happen in the wider Marvel multiverse. And with recent scenes in Wandavision, I think this has a high chance of happening. Yeah, I think the behind the scenes issues didn't help matter. At the time, Feige had no oversight of the TV properties at all so for that reason he didn't give AoS much rope. The breakdown in the relationship between Joss Whedon and Marvel didn't help matters. The multiverse is the key though. It unlocks so many possibilities and it's exciting to see the MCU embracing it rather than shying away from the potential complications. With Feige at the helm, he'll ensure they avoid any gaffs.
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Post by Tim on Feb 6, 2021 18:45:37 GMT -5
Guess it's all up to The Mouse. They have the final say.
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