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Post by Squad 51 on Mar 17, 2021 9:52:39 GMT -5
Old shows still have their appeal which is why I prefer them anyway. And I also listened to the stories of my parents. Fun but also interesting and fascinating.
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Post by Tim on Mar 17, 2021 11:17:16 GMT -5
I still find trains fascinating myself actually. I love getting on one and just travelling somewhere
You and Sheldon Cooper are kindred spirits
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 17, 2021 13:20:25 GMT -5
It must be a cultural thing to troll older people, in African American and Hispanic cultures, older people are very respected. Growing up I’d watch sitcoms with kids being rude to their parents and I was both confused and upset because my brother and I would get in big trouble if we were rude to our older relatives but the shows portrayed it as funny. These generation wars are definitely a white thing. White and middle/upper class, to be more specific. The kids who whine about how "Boomers ruined the planet" are almost always white. And, the kids whining about skinny jeans on TikTok are 95% white. If younger generations seem more liberal, it's only because they're more racially diverse. White Millennials aren't any more liberal than white Boomers, and white Gen Xers are actually more conservative than either. Privileged white college kids have always loved to position themselves as the face of progressivism, but they tend to turn their backs on the cause as soon as they get steady jobs and discover that they hate paying taxes. This is why so many white hippies became Raygun voters in 1980. And, it's why many white Nader 2000 voters and white Occupiers went MAGA in 2016/2020. This is how white RATM fans grow up to be Republican VP candidates. The idea that older stuff is “lame” or “uncool” makes me laugh, I grew up listening to 50s, 60s and 70s pop on the oldies station and liked it a lot more than modern pop and watched a lot of old TV shows with my Dad. I barely watch any TV but once in a while I’ll watch some shows on MeTV, a channel that has a lot TV programs from the 60s. Dad was a fan of the old TV westerns like Bonanza, Rawhide and Have Gun Will Travel and I grew up watching those, I prefer those to modern shows which have too much violence, nudity and tasteless jokes. I see so many kids bashing older music for no other reason than it being "Boomer music" or "dad rock." Like, I get that Gen Z is a group that mostly grew up with dance pop and hip hop and has an aversion to guitars, but I just can't take you seriously if you're gonna objectively argue that Justin Bieber and Katy Perry are better than the Beatles.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Mar 17, 2021 13:47:51 GMT -5
I know, in a lot of those sitcoms the families were white and middle class, except for Married With Children but the Bundys were portrayed as losers. I still thought it was odd that the kids would talk back to their parents since our family used corporal punishment and I’d we talked like that we’d get spanked. My African American friends say the same thing, kids disrespecting adults draws a spanking or a smack. And yeah, those kids in the vids probably come from families where the parents are friends with the kids and think disrespect is “cute”. I’m an American but from a Cuban immigrant background so kids being disrespectful to adults is very foreign to me, I’d be embarrassed to post stuff like that on Tiktok if I was a kid.
I hate paying taxes too but that’s a necessary evil living in the US, taxes pay for lots of stuff. I get that older people tend to become conservative, but it’s another to be MAGA. Even as a kid I hated a lot of stuff that was marketed for kids, pop music in the late 80s-early 90s was terrible and so were many of the cartoons. I grew up listening to oldies and Looney Tunes, back when they were on network TV. Now and then I watch Looney Tunes on DVD and they are still hilarious, plus there’s a lot of genius bonus with history, culture and classical music. Bieber and Katy Perry suck so much, the Beatles were so much more talented. No wonder few kids play instruments 😢
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 17, 2021 15:33:50 GMT -5
I understand why Gen Z like more modern music eg. dance/rap/hip hop etc and as people here know I listened to Captial FM and Kiss growing up which played all the latest tracks and would tape the top 40 charts some Sundays before mp3's came out but since my 30's my go-to radio stations have changed to Magic and our local station Time FM which mum enjoys and I've learned to appreciate older music especially the '80s the era I was born in.
Even earlier music like '70s dance and classic rock like ACDC, Led Zepplin, and Queen I now appreciate and what bands like the Beatles did for music which I think youngsters should appreciate also even if they don't like them of course.
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Post by Squad 51 on Mar 17, 2021 17:32:56 GMT -5
All this music from the 2000 never got me. I really like the older ones. My cousin brought me in contact with the Beatles, I found ABBA by myself in the 1990ies thanks to some revival going on at this time and sometimes I even listen to classic music like Beethoven.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 17, 2021 17:59:58 GMT -5
I know, in a lot of those sitcoms the families were white and middle class, except for Married With Children but the Bundys were portrayed as losers. I still thought it was odd that the kids would talk back to their parents since our family used corporal punishment and I’d we talked like that we’d get spanked. My African American friends say the same thing, kids disrespecting adults draws a spanking or a smack. And yeah, those kids in the vids probably come from families where the parents are friends with the kids and think disrespect is “cute”. I’m an American but from a Cuban immigrant background so kids being disrespectful to adults is very foreign to me, I’d be embarrassed to post stuff like that on Tiktok if I was a kid. It seems like, in general, it's the norm for white Americans (esp. Anglo-Americans) to have weaker family connections than black, Latino, and Asian Americans. White people are more likely to live distant from extended family, and multi-generational households are less common. There also seems to be a greater expectation for kids to "leave the nest" as soon as they turn 18. While stagnant wages and the contraction of the middle class are legitimate issues, I also think that a lot of the malaise that privileged white Millennials and Zoomers complain about is a result of culture and poor choices. Way too many parents and teachers pushed college as the end-all, be-all for getting a job, and too many movies/TV shows romanticized college as a "necessary" part of young adult experience. I also blame the slew of TV shows that cropped up in the 90s and 00s (like Friends and Sex and the City) that romanticized big city life and made too many young people feel that their lives will be boring/incomplete if they don't live in overpriced/overcrowded coastal cities. Put the two together, and you end up with lots of young people who have degrees they can't afford living in cities that they can't afford just because of the "coolness" factor. This is why Occupy Wall Street ended up being such a joke and a failure. It looked like a good cause on paper, but it was ultimately just a bunch of privileged white kids complaining about their own poor choices and calling themselves "the 99%" when the actual 99% wanted nothing to do with them or their "movement." People struggling to put food on the table and keep their kids in school don't give a crap about student loans. I hate paying taxes too but that’s a necessary evil living in the US, taxes pay for lots of stuff. I get that older people tend to become conservative, but it’s another to be MAGA. Even as a kid I hated a lot of stuff that was marketed for kids, pop music in the late 80s-early 90s was terrible and so were many of the cartoons. I grew up listening to oldies and Looney Tunes, back when they were on network TV. Now and then I watch Looney Tunes on DVD and they are still hilarious, plus there’s a lot of genius bonus with history, culture and classical music. Bieber and Katy Perry suck so much, the Beatles were so much more talented. No wonder few kids play instruments 😢 I'm really starting to despise poptimism. It came from good intentions. It's true that a lot of mediocre music has gotten praise just because it fit into the paradigm of "white dudes with guitars." It's also true that a lot of the disco backlash was driven by racism and homophobia. But, this doesn't erase the fact that there's still a difference between music that is art and music that is product, and you hurt your cause by trying to pretend that the latter is equivalent to the former. There's tons of white dude guitar acts that are also more product than art (hello, Creed and Nickelback), so it's not being racist/sexist/homophobic to admit this.
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Post by Silas on Mar 17, 2021 19:01:44 GMT -5
The conversations above on respecting your elders made me think.
I wonder how much pop culture, shows, and films have on the younger generation. Not respecting your elders, is so common in shows and films these days.
I always respected my elders. I love hearing stories about the old days from my family. We were brought up that way in my household.
As for Bieber. He isn't talented. Wasn't he found on Youtube, had that not existed, maybe he'd never be famous? He is more famous for being well Bieber than his music. He is hardly in the news for his music and more so for whatever he is doing with his personal life.
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Post by Tim on Mar 18, 2021 0:10:29 GMT -5
That's exactly what happened.
He was just some kid in London, Ontario, Canada who uploaded a video of himself singing to YouTube. Some talent agent saw that video, and the rest is history.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 18, 2021 5:52:03 GMT -5
I like classical music also but not every single piece, written by Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, or Bach but probably the more well-known pieces that are played all the time then.
That sort of music obviously doesn't appeal to most Gen Z people because it's not their sort of thing but there was one time when I was doing my NVQ level 3 Playwork college course and someone came to my workplace to observe me and I had the radio on whilst I was junk modelling with the kids, which was accidentally on Classical FM then. I didn't realise this because the volume was quite low until the woman spoke to me afterwards saying how she liked the relaxed environment with the music and everything and how the kids seemed to enjoy that actually although I wasn't sure whether that was because they weren't really listening to it and focused on the junk, modelling instead but the lady said young people should appreciate that sort of music even if they don't like it and that I should play it again sometime when things were calm because of the good well being it gives kids.
It frustrates me when young people complain how someone or some people standing around playing musical instruments singing live doesn't sell records now but auto tuning wearing skimpy clothes and dancing does when in fact music from bands like the Beatles and Queen which have sold millions of records and are still relevant now and played often on radio, YouTube, and streaming stations still. That's real music to me and it's a shame not many young people learn to play instruments anymore whether because of social media or lessons being too expensive as there are many talented children out there I've seen on programmes like America and Britain's Got talent actually.
That's why I wished music was promoted more in schools and what instruments did to people's mental health and external lessons were more affordable because that truly is the universal language as they say of course.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Mar 18, 2021 7:21:48 GMT -5
That’s a good point about classical music, Katherine. Mozart is my favorite classical composer but I also like Wagner, Stravinsky, Tchaikovsky and the louder classical stuff, a lot of heavy metal people are big into classical music too. Kids really ought to learn to appreciate classical music or maybe jazz, it takes a lot of talent to perform and I find it helps me study or when reading something complicated or in a foreign language. Music in schools is seriously underfunded since school boards don’t think it’s important, either there’s no music class or they’ll get a teacher who’s not busy to play Kidz Bop CDs to keep the kids quiet.
Betty, you have a good point that college and living in the city isn’t for everyone. College should be for people who need a degree or certificate for a job like teachers, doctors or other professionals but not just something to fill up time for four years. Some people would be better off learning a trade or joining the military, there’s a shortage of trade workers like plumbers, electricians and carpenters in the US since many young people thing such jobs are gross. Thing is a licensed trade person can make good money since the skills are in demand, even hairdressers can make decent money. My brother is a Navy recruiter and a lot of the kids he talks to join up because the military can teach skills relating to being an electrician or computer tech, they see it as a road to a good job. Trade schools or the military might be a good option since not everyone is cut out for college.
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Post by Squad 51 on Mar 18, 2021 10:48:41 GMT -5
I had so many activities as a kid that I was always busy. Though it ended up with rowing, yet still I keep myself busy, even nowadays. Nowadays, the young people are mainly busy with their social lives and not with other outdoor activities. Yes, with Corona it may change, yet still more are so busy with their bodies and all. Not my thing. Classic music was taught here. Though I wonder how they do it now. I also like the known classical music. Sometimes I just listen to them.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 18, 2021 14:40:09 GMT -5
I agree not everyone wants to go uni/college because it's not their sort of thing or maybe they didn't get good enough grades to qualify so trade business jobs or apprenticeships are good alternatives as many employers won't take on unqualified people which accounts for a lot of unemployment obviously.
The same's said for people who've only worked one profession and can't in another because they're not qualified in that so they're stuck with getting jobs in what they're qualified in which can be hard for people who don't want to work in that profession anymore.
I was lucky to get my NVQ's at 26-27 but if I wanted to do something other than childcare I can't being unqualified in anything else the same with my friend who's only really ever done factory work then. He would like to maybe do something in accounting but employers won't hire him because he has no customer service experience hence why he's been on universal credit so long actually.
The days where anyone took you on and trained you up are gone with apprenticeships offered only for 19-25-year-olds because employers don't have to pay full minimum wage to them so older people lose out even though they can learn just as well as young folks and probably would be more reliable not partying and getting drunk too often.
People just need a break otherwise everyone will be on benefits which I'm sure governments don't want citizens on then.
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Post by Trinity on Mar 18, 2021 16:09:36 GMT -5
That's the thing that sucks. You need experience in the field to get a job but employers won't take you on to get said experience as they'd rather hire under 25. This is why people are on benefits for so long. It sucks. Because older people have more experience to stick it out and be reliable and dedicated over younger people who have other interests like Melinda Halliwell pointed out.
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Post by Squad 51 on Mar 18, 2021 17:25:09 GMT -5
Yeah, same goes for me. Did a lot of education, yet never got so much experience in working. My question then always, how should I get experience if I'm not working at all? There's a loop, and it's hard to break out. And with getting older, well, there comes another limit. *sighs*
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