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Post by Tim on Aug 7, 2017 17:42:45 GMT -5
***The following is my personal opinion and may not represent fandom as a whole***
In a matter of weeks, it will be two years since I launched my Rex and Hannah Chronicles Wiki. Betty had been urging me to do so for a while, and I finally decided to do it. Betty was a great help in getting me started, and for that, I thank her. Of course, my Wiki is just one of many that are out there now. Mind you, my Wiki deals with my own personal Charmed fanon. Storygirl's Charmed Comics Wiki deals with another. In both cases, the Wikis are confined to the particular fanon that they deal with and nothing but. And that is how I have come to feel about all Wikis, basically that canon and fanon should be kept separate. The reason is simple, for one, it will make things easier for fans to distinguish what they are looking for. For another thing, most fanon is not one unified idea, but many that do not fit together. For example, the Rex and Hannah Chronicles and the Charmed Comics do not acknowledge each other, so putting them both in the same Wiki would make little sense. Those that run the Star Trek Wikis have a good idea here, because there are two of them. Memory Alpha: This is the Wiki for canon Star Trek, namely the televisions shows and feature films. Memory Beta: This is the Wiki for non-canon Trek. So pages for the novels, comics, Star Trek: Online, and all other such material belongs here. Of course, since this is fanon, it's not a unified whole. However, this Wiki does acknowledge this in the entries and tries to accommodate all the fanon. Unfortnately, the TARDIS Data Core, a Doctor Who Wiki, makes no such distinction between canon and fanon, and, IMO, it's a mess. They novels and Audios are treated no differently than the television series. Anyone who has seen the show, but hasn't read the novels or heard the Audios, are going to be totally lost here. And, of course, the infamous Charmed Wiki has this exactly same problem, canon and fanon being tossed in together with no distinction between them. And since there is already a Wiki for the Charmed comics, Storygirl's, this makes including the comics here kind of redundant. If you ask me, they should remove the comics stuff and just redirect anyone interested in the comics to Storygirl's Wiki. Anyway, that's how, IMO, to build and run a good Wiki.
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Post by adzpower on Aug 8, 2017 4:44:19 GMT -5
I agree, I mean, you go to a wiki to get valuble, correct information, and it can get confusing when you can't get that. Its how mis-information within fandoms is spread.
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Post by Tim on Aug 8, 2017 11:57:40 GMT -5
I couldn't have said it better myself, Adam.
Imagine someone who's never seen the Charmed comics going to the Charmed Wiki. They're gonna go "Huh? Did I miss something?" when they get to the stuff from the comics. That is why the comics stuff should not be there.
As I said, there is already a Wiki for the Charmed Comics out there, so why not just send people who are interested in the comics there.
The Doctor Who Wiki I mentioned is even worse, because they have the novels and Audios all in there. And since the novels and Audios contradict each other, that just makes it even harder to follow.
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Post by adzpower on Aug 9, 2017 17:17:55 GMT -5
Oh yes the doctor who one is pretty bad, I read a lot of the novels so I find it a bit easier to sift through but my brother took a look on there for something once and he was totally lost.
And the same will happen for every wiki that is like this. They can put these things on the same wiki if they want, but section them off, have seperate areas for them and state in clear writing where the information comes from, whether it be from the shows/movies, books or comics.
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Post by Tim on Aug 10, 2017 0:10:26 GMT -5
I can sympathize with your brother. I was in the same situation he was when I first tried to sort through that Wiki.
That's a good idea, if you just want to have one Wiki. Be sure to separate canon from fanon, so those that follow either one or the other won't get mixed up.
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Post by Tim on Jun 27, 2018 11:23:30 GMT -5
An example of the arrogance at the Charmed Wikia:
One of the staff called Charmdozo posted this:
Lyssa (I remember her from the Charmed Sons board) replied:
Lyssa is right here. CBS/Paramount has never taken a position on the comics.
Charmdozo (henceforth to be referred to as CharmedBozo):
Translation: We have spoken, you shut your pie hole.
Lyssa:
Once again, Lyssa is correct. The Buffy comics are canon because of Joss Whedon's involvement with them.
CharmedBozo:
Because I'm too lazy and arrogant to answer you.
Lyssa:
She pretty much calls CharmedBozo out here. He has power, therefore, he is always right.
CharmedBozo:
No, that only means that they are licensed to write Charmed comics. That has nothing to do with them being canon or not.
Lyssa:
Nice shout out to Storygirl's site. However, Lyssa, do you think this prick is listening to you?
She goes on to say:
So the Wikia says its about the show only? Then that comics stuff should NOT be there.
However, CharmedBozo ain't listening:
Dude, that is so beside the point. Lyssa wasn't talking about who created what show, she was talking about the comics being canon or not.
Lyssa:
I couldn't have said it better myself.
CharmedBozo:
Once again, I have spoken. Shut up, you silly woman!
Lyssa:
Lyssa keeps asking for proof, but CharmedBozo ain't giving it. Reason, it doesn't exist.
CharmedBozo:
Talk about arrogance. Lyssa will be blocked if she says the comics aren't canon. No wonder that site has such a bad reputation.
Lyssa:
Yes, Lyssa, they're going t block you because you won't tow the line.
At this point, P3Nathan tries to step in:
Nice try, P3Nathan.
Lyssa:
Exactly, this wikia should be for the show. Lyssa once again points out Storygirl's comics wikia.
She goes on to say:
Paul Ruditis himself said it was up to the readers to accept or reject the comics as canon. I don't see why CharmedBozo is making such a big stink here.
But...
CharmedBozo:
Shut up and tow the line, you stupid woman, or we'll block you. We're right, no matter what you say.
By now, Lyssa has almost had enough:
She's right in that CharmedBozo has been arrogant and rude to her throughout because she dared to question their stupid policy.
CharmedBozo:
You were rude, CharmedBozo, by telling Lyssa to shut up and accept the comics as canon, and threatening to block her if she didn't.
Lyssa:
And that was pretty much it. Poor Lyssa was raked over the coals because she dared to question the Charmed Wikia's policy of considering the comics canon.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 27, 2018 16:32:20 GMT -5
Glad I'm not a member then. Poor woman. Though have perused it occasionally.
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Post by Tim on Jun 27, 2018 16:52:04 GMT -5
Yeah, that's why the Charmed Wiki has such a poor reputation.
Poor Lyssa did nothing wrong, IMO. She was correct in pointing out that the comics weren't canon.
Not surprisingly, she hasn't returned there since.
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Post by Katie on Jun 27, 2018 17:03:59 GMT -5
Yeah, that's why the Charmed Wiki has such a poor reputation.
Poor Lyssa did nothing wrong, IMO. She was correct in pointing out that the comics weren't canon.
Not surprisingly, she hasn't returned there since.
I don't like Wikis unless I personally know them. I got banned for the most stupidest thing on wiki once. Because I double edited and thought I was spamming and Vandalized it. An innocent mistake on my part. But no people in power take it too far. This Charmed Cafe is having the same problem. I was on there today looking. A member is blasting people saying the comics are canon. I half wonder if this person and the Wiki mod are the same person.
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Post by Tim on Jun 27, 2018 17:58:22 GMT -5
Geez, that's horrible. Sounds like you were only trying to help them.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 27, 2018 19:36:23 GMT -5
I wouldn't either if that ever happened to me.
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Post by Tim on Jun 27, 2018 23:23:53 GMT -5
If anyone tried to help me on my Wiki, I would never treat them like CharmedBozo treated Lyssa.
Lyssa wasn't being a troll, she was just pointing out a fact.
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Post by nightowl on Jul 17, 2018 21:22:46 GMT -5
Wikia's are great, but sometimes I hate them, for the reasons above.
I guess people have the choice to make their own wiki since you can.
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Post by Tim on Jul 17, 2018 23:38:54 GMT -5
Yeah, having a Wiki is great.
If you have an ongoing Fan Fiction series, like I have, then a Wiki is a great help for those who are just discovering your series.
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Post by Matt A, Heir to Bekka Pramheda on Oct 15, 2018 7:50:22 GMT -5
Okay! I'm gonna do a thing where I compare different characters of different shows, things from the same show, etc. Sort of like a VERSUS type of thing and critique the said things/characters from what shows I choose to cover. Wait, what??? I always thought it was Kyra, as that's how her name is spelled on the Charmed Wiki and in the script for the episode.
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