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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 14, 2019 10:36:16 GMT -5
In honor of Valentine's Day, I've decided to use the handy Drake Meme to air out my thoughts on TV ships. 90s teen ships: Nay -- Dylan/Kelly, Sabrina/Josh, Daria/Tom Yay -- Dylan/Brenda, Sabrina/Harvey, Daria/Trent Lay off the love triangles, TV shows. They never end well. Charmed ships: Nay -- Piper/Leo, Phoebe/Coop, Paige/Kyle Yay -- Piper/Mark, Phoebe/Kira, Paige/Henry Yes, only one of the endgame couples was worth anything. Piper/Leo are massively overrated, and Phoebe's hunks were all crap. PLL ships: Nay -- Caleb/Spencer, Emily/Alison, Aria/Ezra Yay -- Caleb/Hanna, Emily/Paige, Aria/Jason Yet another show with only one good endgame couple, and crap writing in the later seasons halfway ruined them. Let this show be a lesson to not let losers on Twitter dictate who ends up with who. |
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Post by Tim on Feb 14, 2019 12:18:24 GMT -5
These are very good, Betty.
1 100% agree on Phoebe/Kira. Phoebe had way more chemistry with her than with Mr. Cardboard.
Paige/Henry are the only canon pairing you agree with. Me too  |
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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 14, 2019 16:16:35 GMT -5
Of all the couples posted above, only *three* of them were endgame -- Sabrina/Harvey, Paige/Henry, and Caleb/Hanna. And, the last one was partially ruined by the crappy writing of PLL's later seasons, anyways.  I don't know why TV shows keep on destroying perfectly good couples in favor of ones that are boring and chemistry-less, sometimes even borderline abusive (step forward, Dylan/Kelly and Emily/Alison -- stop pairing loners with Alpha Bitches, TV shows). I guess my tastes in romance just don't jive with what TV execs want to see.  ............. There's a special place in hell for Kelly Taylor and Tom Sloane. They not only ruined two of my favorite OTPs, but also two of my favorite OT3s.  |
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Post by Tim on Feb 15, 2019 0:30:26 GMT -5
I get the feeling that a lot of Arrow fans would add Felicity Smoak to that list. To them, she ruined Olly/Laurel.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 15, 2019 3:49:13 GMT -5
In Charmed I would also add Phoebe with either Drake or season 2 Cupid because Drake brought back season 1 and 2 Phoebe we knew and loved for a bit and Cupid helped Phoebe open her heart up to love at the time plus the actors had good chemistry with Alyssa.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 15, 2019 8:08:57 GMT -5
I get the feeling that a lot of Arrow fans would add Felicity Smoak to that list. To them, she ruined Olly/Laurel. Agreed, although nitwits on Twitter seem to have partial blame for that one. They latched onto Felicity as their personal self-insert and started shipping her with Oliver, and since TPTB were already more invested in her character than they were Laurel, we wound up with Olicity.  The aforementioned Dylan/Kelly and Daria/Tom came about because TPTB disliked the fan-favorite pairings (Dylan/Brenda and Daria/Trent) and wanted to "spice up" their respective shows with love triangle nonsense. End result, Dylan and Daria got paired off with unlikable, incompatible people who did nothing but argue with them and belittle them, and both characters got completely butchered as a result. This is why I can't watch 90210 past Season 2, and I can't watch Daria past mid-Season 3. |
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Post by Tim on Feb 15, 2019 12:17:06 GMT -5
Nice job breaking it, hero! (as TV Trope would say).
What can't TPTB leave things alone. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Post by adzpower on Feb 15, 2019 12:29:01 GMT -5
Please don't remind me of Olicity, eurgh I hate that toxic relationship so much, we've had no less than three Black Canaries on Arrow, four if you want to count Earth-2 Laurel, and aside from brief flings, Oliver hasn't ended up with any of them! Its a total injustice and I have to hope that at some point perhaps the DCEU movies will do the relationship justice by giving us Ollie and Dinah like it should be. There is so much more to the story but God I just can't get into it, each and every time I think of how badly those actors were treated it makes my blood boil. Here is some nice art to cheer myself up 
I would like to point out that the last pic is from the special 100th episode of Arrow, whereby Oliver enters a dreamlike state where he imagines his ideal life, in that life he imagines getting married to the now deceased Laurel, adding credence to the theory that if she were still alive, he'd pick her over Felishitty in a heartbeat.
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Post by Tim on Feb 15, 2019 18:25:22 GMT -5
These are great pictures, Adam.
A good tribute to a couple that should be together.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 15, 2019 19:12:51 GMT -5
Nice job breaking it, hero! (as TV Trope would say). What can't TPTB leave things alone. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. When TPTB decided to have Dylan hook up with Kelly, they completely changed the dynamics of the show, and not for the better. 90210 was originally all about the Brandon/Brenda/Dylan trio. Period. Yes, it was technically an "ensemble," but those three were clearly meant to be the stars. It was those three who were on the cover of Rolling Stone in 1992, not the likes of Kelly and David. Brandon and Brenda were the normal kids from Minnesota who got flung into glitzy Beverly Hills, while Dylan was the loner from a broken home who desperately wanted friends and family of his own. Which is exactly what he got with the Twins. Brandon was the best friend he'd ever had, while Brenda was the love of his life. Dylan finally felt like he was part of a family, even if Daddy Walsh struggled to accept him. Not only did those three have amazing chemistry and dynamics, but they also, more importantly, kept the show grounded. When they were the focus, the show was about serious issues that impacted teens (for 1991 standards, mind you), not casual sex and love triangles. That all went out the window in Season 3. Suddenly, Kelly got shoved to the forefront in the name of making it an "ensemble," while Dylan got lobotomized for the sake of a stupid love triangle and a toxic, passionless "romance" with the blonde Alpha Bitch he had previously shown little interest in (and we were supposed to start feeling sorry for over the three stars of the show -- hence, the start of trend of victimizing Kelly every season to shore up sympathy for her). Dylan's connection with the Walshes was completely destroyed, and they would never recover. |
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Post by Tim on Feb 16, 2019 0:25:02 GMT -5
And soon after all that, Shannen left (or was fired). So that effectively ended any chance of Brenda and Dylan getting back together.
The way was clear for Kelly to move in and take over  |
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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 16, 2019 12:27:24 GMT -5
And soon after all that, Shannen left (or was fired). So that effectively ended any chance of Brenda and Dylan getting back together. The way was clear for Kelly to move in and take over I strongly suspect that behind-the-scenes issues with Shannen were what started this mess in the first place. She probably started clashing with the writers and producers (like she later would on Charmed). Combine that with her bad girl antics, and the stage was set for her to get shoved into the background in favor of Jennie. For the record, I loved Jennie on WILAY (and I prefer her in more comedic roles, in general), but she's no Shannen, and Kelly's no Brenda. Kelly had no chemistry with Dylan, whatsoever, and instead of actually writing her as a more sympathetic character we were supposed to care about, the show instead just kept throwing every tragedy under the sun at her (ie. eating disorder, rape, coke addiction, 3rd degree burns, getting shot, etc.), hoping it would cancel out her still being the same selfish, hypocritical Queen Bee. Also, Kelly was abusive to Dylan. She constantly argued with him, and she never gave one iota about him or any of his problems. When his father was murdered in late S3, she didn't even attempt to comfort him and instead just whined about her weight. She also acted extremely jealous and vindictive whenever she saw him simply stand next to another woman (especially Brenda), and she even slapped him over it in early S4! How in the world is that true love? It'd be one thing if they intentionally wanted to portray a toxic, abusive relationship and portray Dylan's downfall as him being a messed-up sufferer of Stockholm Syndrome, but that'd then mean Kelly being the bad guy, and we can't have that, now can we? |
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Post by Tim on Feb 16, 2019 12:52:19 GMT -5
Most likely, yes. Since Shannen would be leaving, the writers saw fit to butcher her character and ruin the relationship with Dylan.
That's Aaron Spelling for you.
Thank the dead gods of Krypton that the Charmed reboot is free of his toxic influence.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 16, 2019 21:33:55 GMT -5
That's Aaron Spelling for you. Thank the dead gods of Krypton that the Charmed reboot is free of his toxic influence. You're probably right. Most of the other post-S2 relationships on 90210 had similar problems, as did many of Charmed's most popular ships. Piper/Leo show a lot of the same abuse patterns as Dylan/Kelly -- constant arguing, Piper being a whiny, self-centered pity party, Piper threatening Leo with violence when she doesn't get her way, and so on. And, both shows tried to sell these couples as "soulmates." Abuse is not "hot" or "romantic," TV shows. ------------------------ Daria/Trent is another sunken TV ship that really pisses me off, especially since it was sunken for no other reason than the fact that the show's creator hated people shipping the characters together. He didn't think it was "realistic" for a girl like Daria to end up with the hot rocker guy (Since when did realism matter in a cartoon? Plus, it's not "realistic" for fat losers to end up with supermodel wives, either, yet there's been a million sitcoms centered around that premise.), and he didn't think Trent was "good boyfriend material" (even though he was one of the most unambiguously friendly characters on that show... plus, no person is truly good marriage material at that age). And, it's even more insulting that TPTB criticized Daria/Trent for being "unrealistic" and "incompatible" when they turned around and shoved a couple like Daria/Tom at us. Just the way they got together was disgusting, with Tom cheating on Jane with Daria (and not giving one crap about what he was doing, either). And, Tom was a boring piece of cardboard that had zero chemistry with Daria and was constantly condescending and belittling to her. All he ever did was bring out her worst qualities and make her even more bitter and antisocial than she had been before. On the other hand, Trent was never anything but kind and understanding towards her. He was one of the few people who could make her laugh and smile, and he brought out a softer side in Daria that she never realized she had. These images just say it all. Who do you think she looks happier with? If TPTB didn't want people shipping Daria with Trent, then they shouldn't have given them so much chemistry in the first place. And, they should've tried A LOT harder to make Tom a viable alternative instead of an unlikable block of wood. |
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Post by Tim on Feb 17, 2019 0:25:03 GMT -5
Wow, talk about history repeating itself. Was this what Spelling actually thought true love was!?
I can't see any of the Vera sisters acting this way.
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