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Post by Squad 51 on Nov 21, 2019 13:37:40 GMT -5
Yeah, great deja vu here. Even with the AfG party in Germany and other similar parties in other countries, it seems that Europe hasn't learned from older mistakes. The isolation policy is another factor. Crazy if you ask me.
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Post by Tim on Nov 21, 2019 18:11:08 GMT -5
Those that fail to remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
And we're seeing that happen.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Nov 28, 2019 1:14:32 GMT -5
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Post by Tim on Nov 28, 2019 12:17:59 GMT -5
He actually said that Well, he's not shy about showing his true colours, I see.
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Post by Squad 51 on Nov 29, 2019 14:49:24 GMT -5
That he is known for meanwhile. And that's scary. I mean, I know my history and all but that nowadays presidents want to repeat that?! No thanks!!
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Post by Tim on Nov 30, 2019 0:26:49 GMT -5
Between Erdogan, Putin, and Trump, it seems that Adolf Hitler's views and ideals are back in fashion.
Scary, right?
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Post by Squad 51 on Nov 30, 2019 12:41:33 GMT -5
Between Erdogan, Putin, and Trump, it seems that Adolf Hitler's views and ideals are back in fashion.
Scary, right?
More than scary. I mean, how often should history repeat itself when humanity will finally learn?
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Post by Tim on Nov 30, 2019 19:01:49 GMT -5
I mean, how often should history repeat itself when humanity will finally learn?
Never, it seems.
More than a century later, and the Armenian people are still waiting for justice.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Nov 30, 2019 19:02:16 GMT -5
This is only tangentially related to this thread, but I saw this on Tumblr and I felt like I needed to share: Since this thread is about Middle Eastern politics, common misconceptions about the region need to be cleared up. Many people incorrectly put Afghanistan and Pakistan in the Middle East, yet exclude Armenia. Many people also incorrectly refer to the region as the "Muslim World," which not only erases the many Muslims that aren't Middle Eastern, but also the many Middle Easterners who aren't Muslim (which includes Armenians and Assyrians, as well as countless other groups). Arabs are also one of many ethnicities in the Middle East, so it's also incorrect to call the region the "Arab World." The aforementioned Armenians and Assyrians are two groups of Middle Easterners who aren't Arab (although many do live in Arab countries). Persians (aka. the majority ethnicity of Iran) are also non-Arab Middle Easterners. Also, Turkish people aren't indigenous to the Middle East. They originally came from Mongolia and invaded/colonized Anatolia in the 13th century. The true natives of the land now known as "Turkey" are, in fact, the Armenians, Assyrians, and Kurds that Turkey has spent so much time oppressing and inflicting genocide on. And, yes, you can find many parallels between the way Turkey has treated them and the way the US has treated Native Americans.
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Post by Tim on Nov 30, 2019 19:22:16 GMT -5
I wonder how many people are aware of these facts. I would guess to say not many.
No way that Erdogan will opening admit to that little fact.
At least in the U.S., they don't lock you up if you write about what happened to the Native Americans.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Dec 1, 2019 0:22:14 GMT -5
All the time, I see even otherwise left-leaning/progressive people treat "Muslim" like a racial/ethnic category. They talk about "Muslim representation" when what they really mean is "Middle Eastern representation," and they only talk about anti-Middle Eastern racism in terms of Islamophobia. Of course, a lot of it's a side-effect of racist Islamophobia. Right-wingers have long used "Muslim" as shorthand for "Scary Brown Person," which is why you hear about non-Muslim Middle Easterners and South Asians suffering Islamophobic racism and hate crimes. At the end of the day, Islamophobia is less a fear of Islam itself than it is a fear of Brown People Who Look Different. But, this racialization of Islam is very harmful, and progressives need to stop falling into that trap. It erases the fact that the majority of Arab-Americans are actually Christian (mostly coming here to flee oppression in their homelands). It also erases the fact that the most heavily-Muslim country in the world is actually Indonesia, as well as the fact that there are indigenous European Muslims in the Balkans (some of whom suffered their own genocide back in the 90s). More alarmingly, this has also caused some western progressives to whitewash/glorify countries like the Ottoman Empire/Turkey and post-revolution Iran in the name of "anti-imperialism," which does nothing but alienate the many people who fled oppression in those countries and could really use allies on the Left (since we all know the Right wants nothing to do with them). When was the last time you heard progressives talking about Armenians, for example? And, by that, I don't mean calling out Kimmy K for wearing cornrows (and using her to insinuate that Armenians are all rich/white/privileged). -__-
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Post by Tim on Dec 1, 2019 0:26:39 GMT -5
Sadly, whole groups are being blamed for the actions of a few. Radial Islam does not represent their culture as a whole.
However, as you said, many tend to just toss the bunch of them into the same batch. And you're right, it's probably because they look different than we do. And I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Post by Squad 51 on Dec 1, 2019 7:16:09 GMT -5
Another fact is that the Arabian countries were "smarter" than European ones since their literati saved the ancient knowledge during the Middle Ages and also improved many things for healing, astronomics and other sciences. This fact seems to be also forgotten. Only the late development shines in our awareness.
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Post by Tim on Dec 1, 2019 12:18:07 GMT -5
No way Orange Hitler and those like him will admit that.
And Kimmy K wants to be friends with Orange Hitler, who's friends with Erdogan, who is actively covering up the Armenian genocide. Tell us again how much you love the Armenian people, "Heghine"
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Post by BettyNewbie on Dec 1, 2019 15:16:24 GMT -5
Armenians are probably one of the most invisible and poorly-understood minorities in the US, IMO. Their history and culture is almost never taught in US schools. Forget about the genocide, most Americans can't even find either present-day Armenia or historical Armenia on a map. And, we get taught that Constantine was the "world's first Christian ruler," when that title actually belongs to King Tiridates III of Armenia. Bible-Thumpers and Teabaggers want to call the US a "Christian Nation," yet don't know that Armenia was officially the first nation to adopt Christianity. And, while the US has a large diaspora, that diaspora is heavily-concentrated around Southern California, whereas the majority of the country still lives on the East Coast. Armenian-American communities outside of SoCal are very small and disorganized. This means that the majority of Americans have probably never even interacted with a single Armenian in RL (and if they have, they don't know it). And, while you'd think that having a large community near Hollywood would translate into lots of media/pop culture representation, that hasn't been the case either. Very few people can name an Armenian-American celebrity that isn't either Cher or a K@rdashian, and most don't even know that the former is Armenian. Armenian-American actors usually have to either whitewash themselves and take roles playing white characters (or other POC ethnicities) or get stuck playing degrading "Middle Eastern Terrorist" characters. You never see movies and TV shows with Armenian main characters and Armenian settings. Armenians don't even get barebones stereotypical representation. They get NO representation, period. I think it might be a little better in regards to the diaspora in Western Europe (eg. France, Germany, the UK), where they at least get to be more visible minorities, but it's still pretty bad. It literally took me doing research for fanfiction to learn anything about these people and their culture. Talk about erasure.
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