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Post by SpnFanJackie on Jan 18, 2021 3:23:29 GMT -5
Batwoman is back, and the first episode for the Arrowverse for 2021.
I was one of the people who said they should have just recast Kate, but having seen what Javicia did with Ryan I'm glad they didn't.
The best actor for the episode goes to Rachel Skarsten. That woman is a force. Alice is just once again cementing her place as one of the best Arrowverse villains, and I love her so much.
I loved so many of the choices they made in this episode. Putting together Ryan learning Kate's backstory and Mary learning Ryan's was great, as were the reveals of Alice having something to do with killing Ryan's mom and Mary connecting with Ryan over their mothers dying in their arms. Very smart to do.
I did expected the whole fake Bruce storyline to last longer (and it probably would've if we still had Kate and Ruby Rose), but it makes sense that if they have to sacrifice anything in the retool it would be that. Hopefully he'll get to play the real Bruce at some point, I mean he still has a connection to many characters still on the show.
Speaking of Alice being a threat, I'm very excited to see what they do with Safiyah. She's got big shoes to fill coming in after Alice, but hopefully she can at least be not too much of a step down.
Here's to S2!
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Post by Trinity on Jan 18, 2021 3:29:42 GMT -5
Batwoman is back, and the first episode for the Arrowverse for 2021. I was one of the people who said they should have just recast Kate, but having seen what Javicia did with Ryan I'm glad they didn't. She brought a freshness to the show that I think was needed. The best actor for the episode goes to Rachel Skarsten. That woman is a force. Alice is just once again cementing her place as one of the best Arrowverse villains, and I love her so much. She's really amazing! I missed her scene-stealing away on this show. The way she described how she wanted to have Kate killed was fantastic. I pictured it immediately and I'm like wow this is so tragic and would have been heartbreaking and painful for all involved if she had gotten her way. I honestly was surprised when the chick interrupted her and she chucked her knife at her throat. I was so not expecting that but that's what makes Alice such a great character. You never know what to expect from her Her scene with Jacob was great too. You could just see the denial and then guilt on his face way when she laid it all out to him about Kate being Batwoman and how their last encounter went between them with her and the Crows shooting at her. I loved so many of the choices they made in this episode. Putting together Ryan learning Kate's backstory and Mary learning Ryan's was great, as were the reveals of Alice having something to do with killing Ryan's mom and Mary connecting with Ryan over their mothers dying in their arms. Very smart to do. I did expected the whole fake Bruce storyline to last longer (and it probably would've if we still had Kate and Ruby Rose), but it makes sense that if they have to sacrifice anything in the retool it would be that. Hopefully he'll get to play the real Bruce at some point, I mean he still has a connection to many characters still on the show. Speaking of Alice being a threat, I'm very excited to see what they do with Safiyah. She's got big shoes to fill coming in after Alice, but hopefully she can at least be not too much of a step down. Here's to S2! Wholeheartedly agree. I'm glad we won't be losing the Batwoman/Alice connection. Although no longer a familial relationship, at least we can count on Ryan and Alice to have some great scenes together. That was the most intriguing discovery for me about Ryan's backstory.
Javicia and Rachel are gonna kill it for sure.
Ryan and Mary both having their mothers die in their arms didn't even dawn on me in the moment so good shout. That's some excellent storytelling and a perfect way connect a new character with an established one.
I feared we might lose that quality with Kate being gone but the writers already assured us that having connections to certain people in Gotham is important especially when it strengthens the narrative and its characters.
However, Kate IS NOT DEAD, I do hope Ruby Rose AGREES to return for an episode, I was somewhat hopeful she'd have come back for the first episode of S2 to wrap up her character, but perhaps they may bring back later. Unlike the Shannen Doherty deal, Ruby was not fired, and left on good terms. But, I'm sure they want us to get used to the new Batwoman first, before bringing Kate back for an episode.
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Post by SpnFanJackie on Jan 18, 2021 3:30:58 GMT -5
Batwoman is back, and the first episode for the Arrowverse for 2021. I was one of the people who said they should have just recast Kate, but having seen what Javicia did with Ryan I'm glad they didn't. She brought a freshness to the show that I think was needed. The best actor for the episode goes to Rachel Skarsten. That woman is a force. Alice is just once again cementing her place as one of the best Arrowverse villains, and I love her so much. She's really amazing! I missed her scene-stealing away on this show. The way she described how she wanted to have Kate killed was fantastic. I pictured it immediately and I'm like wow this is so tragic and would have been heartbreaking and painful for all involved if she had gotten her way. I honestly was surprised when the chick interrupted her and she chucked her knife at her throat. I was so not expecting that but that's what makes Alice such a great character. You never know what to expect from her Her scene with Jacob was great too. You could just see the denial and then guilt on his face way when she laid it all out to him about Kate being Batwoman and how their last encounter went between them with her and the Crows shooting at her. I loved so many of the choices they made in this episode. Putting together Ryan learning Kate's backstory and Mary learning Ryan's was great, as were the reveals of Alice having something to do with killing Ryan's mom and Mary connecting with Ryan over their mothers dying in their arms. Very smart to do. I did expected the whole fake Bruce storyline to last longer (and it probably would've if we still had Kate and Ruby Rose), but it makes sense that if they have to sacrifice anything in the retool it would be that. Hopefully he'll get to play the real Bruce at some point, I mean he still has a connection to many characters still on the show. Speaking of Alice being a threat, I'm very excited to see what they do with Safiyah. She's got big shoes to fill coming in after Alice, but hopefully she can at least be not too much of a step down. Here's to S2! Wholeheartedly agree. I'm glad we won't be losing the Batwoman/Alice connection. Although no longer a familial relationship, at least we can count on Ryan and Alice to have some great scenes together. That was the most intriguing discovery for me about Ryan's backstory.
Javicia and Rachel are gonna kill it for sure.
Ryan and Mary both having their mothers die in their arms didn't even dawn on me in the moment so good shout. That's some excellent storytelling and a perfect way connect a new character with an established one.
I feared we might lose that quality with Kate being gone but the writers already assured us that having connections to certain people in Gotham is important especially when it strengthens the narrative and its characters.
However, Kate IS NOT DEAD, I do hope Ruby Rose AGREES to return for an episode, I was somewhat hopeful she'd have come back for the first episode of S2 to wrap up her character, but perhaps they may bring back later. Unlike the Shannen Doherty deal, Ruby was not fired, and left on good terms. But, I'm sure they want us to get used to the new Batwoman first, before bringing Kate back for an episode.
Rachel is an amazing actress. Honestly, she hasn't had a bad moment on the show, and I think Alice telling Jacob Kate was Batwoman was the best way to go about him finding out, besides Kate doing it herself. |
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jan 18, 2021 3:34:01 GMT -5
I feel like a lot of us had the bar set so low for the season. We were all upset and just as broken up about Kate leaving as Jacob, Alice, Luke, and Mary were. We were angry at what the showrunners did and we came into this season loaded for bear and ready to be pissed off.
I was wrong.
They dealt with Kate in a great way. Javicia is a...a force of nature. They were able to connect Ryan with the rest of the cast so quickly in such deep deep ways that clicked, made sense, and didn't feel contrived or lazy at all.
The Batmobile racing around firing off rockets, Ryan's first outing in the Batsuit, Ryan's flashbacks, and that final confrontation with Hush and the "Kryptonite Fudd Dud" were stellar.
If the rest of the season is like this then I am SOLD! This was an amazing episode!
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Post by SpnFanJackie on Jan 18, 2021 3:35:34 GMT -5
I feel like a lot of us had the bar set so low for the season. We were all upset and just as broken up about Kate leaving as Jacob, Alice, Luke, and Mary were. We were angry at what the showrunners did and we came into this season loaded for bear and ready to be pissed off. I was wrong. They dealt with Kate in a great way. Javicia is a...a force of nature. They were able to connect Ryan with the rest of the cast so quickly in such deep deep ways that clicked, made sense, and didn't feel contrived or lazy at all. The Batmobile racing around firing off rockets, Ryan's first outing in the Batsuit, Ryan's flashbacks, and that final confrontation with Hush and the "Kryptonite Fudd Dud" were stellar. If the rest of the season is like this then I am SOLD! This was an amazing episode! Absolutely, oh my GOD. Any bit of worry I had just left, this was beyond good. Like I was eager to give Ryan a chance as the new Batwoman, but I was afraid it would feel weird, or that they would set it up badly, or something. Because they had so little time, and probably had to throw out half of what they'd already written for s2, I just thought there was no way it could work. I was beyond wrong. But Kate is not dead, so she might return one day if Ruby agrees. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 18, 2021 12:28:37 GMT -5
They pulled it off. Ruby Rose's departure left them in a lurch, but they managed to handle it. Perhaps the delay gave the writers the time they needed.
Kate was on that plane that went down, but her body has not been found. As long as there is no body, there is hope.
I like Ryan too, and how they brought her in. She found Kate's costume and went after some of the folks she holds responsible for the death of her mother. And it was some of Alice's goons that did it. Ryan and her family were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Alice is clearly mourning the loss of her sister in her own way. She wore black, and she is going after Safiyah, who may have played a role in the plane crash. Remember, she's known that Kate is Batwoman for some time now, and could have outed her, but she never did.
Until she dropped her bomb on Jacob, finally letting him in on the secret. And considering what happened the last time he saw Batwoman. Ouch!
I kind of knew how Fake Bruce's story would end. Once he started interacting with those that know the real Bruce, it was only a matter of time before he got tripped up. And that's what happened with Julia Pennyworth, the daughter of a man who has been loyal to the Wayne family for decades.
Speaking of Fake Bruce, man, Ryan really handed his a** to him. I thought she'd killed the guy (but it was said that he was being returned to Arkham).
Ruby could make an appearance. Being in another country is not the impediment it once was. She could appear as Kate via a video, while filming it in Australia.
An excellent start and well worth the wait.
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Post by adzpower on Jan 18, 2021 15:31:36 GMT -5
Its nice to have the Arrowverse back.
I'll be honest, I still think they should have just re-cast Kate, but we've got what we've got.
I'm impressed, I really like Ryan, they managed to do the best they could without re-casting, tying her into basically everyone else's story was done well, and I'm looking forward to seeing more of her.
Having Alice be the one who killed her mother is simple but it works effectively, gives her a reason to fight. And her getting kryptonite poisoning at the end gives her a reason to go back to Luke.
Javicia has a ton of charisma, and I'm hoping she'll turn into a beloved original character like Sara Lance, rather than a complete mess like Felicity Smoak.
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Post by Tim on Jan 18, 2021 18:05:06 GMT -5
Yeah, they made the right choice here.
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Post by Colton on Jan 18, 2021 21:51:54 GMT -5
That was a really good, solid episode. They did a really good job switching to Ryan and connecting her to the story that already exists. Javicia Leslie really sold her, and I think she’s going to be great this season.
I’m a little disappointed that all the Hush stuff didn’t even get a chance to get started, but given the circumstances I get it. Bruce doesn’t mean anything to Ryan the way he does to Kate (just think of all the letters she wrote him) so I’m kinda glad they aren’t dragging it out and forcing whatever story they originally had in mind.
Alice is, of course, Alice naturally. Still one of the top tier villains in the Arrowverse.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jan 19, 2021 18:26:02 GMT -5
That was a really good, solid episode. They did a really good job switching to Ryan and connecting her to the story that already exists. Javicia Leslie really sold her, and I think she’s going to be great this season. I’m a little disappointed that all the Hush stuff didn’t even get a chance to get started, but given the circumstances I get it. Bruce doesn’t mean anything to Ryan the way he does to Kate (just think of all the letters she wrote him) so I’m kinda glad they aren’t dragging it out and forcing whatever story they originally had in mind. Alice is, of course, Alice naturally. Still one of the top tier villains in the Arrowverse. Yeah they certainly did drop that story, and I don't blame them.
I'm surprised they went with a new character and not just adapted one of the many other Batwomans in the 50 year history, since they have had more in the suit than just Kate Kane.
Yeah, I love Alice so much, she's the perfect villain, and I really kinda do not want her to be redeemed, but on the other hand, it will just feel odd for her to be redeemed and hanging out with the rest of the cast. She is a pretty damaged character, it will be a long time before that.
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Post by SpnFanJackie on Jan 19, 2021 19:56:38 GMT -5
That was a really good, solid episode. They did a really good job switching to Ryan and connecting her to the story that already exists. Javicia Leslie really sold her, and I think she’s going to be great this season. I’m a little disappointed that all the Hush stuff didn’t even get a chance to get started, but given the circumstances I get it. Bruce doesn’t mean anything to Ryan the way he does to Kate (just think of all the letters she wrote him) so I’m kinda glad they aren’t dragging it out and forcing whatever story they originally had in mind. Alice is, of course, Alice naturally. Still one of the top tier villains in the Arrowverse. Yeah they certainly did drop that story, and I don't blame them.
I'm surprised they went with a new character and not just adapted one of the many other Batwomans in the 50 year history, since they have had more in the suit than just Kate Kane.
Yeah, I love Alice so much, she's the perfect villain, and I really kinda do not want her to be redeemed, but on the other hand, it will just feel odd for her to be redeemed and hanging out with the rest of the cast. She is a pretty damaged character, it will be a long time before that.
I prefer Alice as the villain, I find the redemption card is played just too much, I hope she isn't redeemed too easily, but Kate being gone, might change things for her. |
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Post by Tim on Jan 20, 2021 0:26:03 GMT -5
Alice is clearly mourning for her lost sister.
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Post by Trinity on Jan 20, 2021 1:35:45 GMT -5
Something I forgot to mention, The narration of Kate's letter to Sophie didn't sound like Ruby Rose to me. I kept wondering if that was her at all. I don't think it was.
Obviously, their relationship was toxic, but I thought it was interesting that Alice was the first (and maybe only one) to accept that Kate was dead. I wonder if they're doing that so when it's revealed that Kate is alive (end of the season, I assume maybe?) we get the irony and parallels to Beth's "death".
And Julia Pennyworth should be a series regular. We need some more connections to the Batfamily apart from Luke. And I enjoy her character.
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Post by adzpower on Jan 20, 2021 10:30:25 GMT -5
Something I forgot to mention, The narration of Kate's letter to Sophie didn't sound like Ruby Rose to me. I kept wondering if that was her at all. I don't think it was.
Obviously, their relationship was toxic, but I thought it was interesting that Alice was the first (and maybe only one) to accept that Kate was dead. I wonder if they're doing that so when it's revealed that Kate is alive (end of the season, I assume maybe?) we get the irony and parallels to Beth's "death". And Julia Pennyworth should be a series regular. We need some more connections to the Batfamily apart from Luke. And I enjoy her character.
Pretty sure it was Sophie reading it out in her head.
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Post by Tim on Jan 20, 2021 12:15:41 GMT -5
Alice sure rubbed that in Jacob's face, didn't she.
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