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Post by Tim on Apr 23, 2017 11:34:25 GMT -5
I hope this Dark Phoenix movie happens. That will add another strong female character to the mix.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 23, 2017 12:39:46 GMT -5
See, when it comes to the MCU, I feel a bit bad for them, because they don't have a lot to work with in terms of female characters, lets face it, Black Widow (the movie version) just isn't that interesting, not because she's a woman, but because she's just had shoddy writing. Whereas you can look at other fantastic female characters they have like Quake, Jessica Jones and Scarlet Witch, I suppose it helps that Quake is written primarily by the Whedon brothers, but still. Did people really ship Natasha and Bruce together? When watching Age of Ultron I found that pairing very cringey, out of nowhere and they had about as much chemistry as a china doll. MCU suffers female character wise because a lot of their female heroes belong to other studios, Jean Grey, Storm, Sue Storm, She-Hulk etc. They had to cheat and make Wanda an experiment just to include her. They can't even use the name "Scarlet Witch" in the movies because Fox owns that name. I suppose they were sold at a time when female heroes were at an all time low, no one thinking they could make any money off them. I'm happy times have changed, but if we want female heroes on the big screen I think we should be looking to DC, who as far as I know, do have all their own properties safely under ownership. They've already started the movement with Harley Quinn, Lois Lane and Wonder Woman, not to mention the recent announcement of Batgirl, hoping for many more. And just today I saw Fox announce a Dark Phoenix movie, so it seems they want a piece of the action as well, here here! Great news about the Dark Phoenix movie! *thumbs up* Yeah, as I've said before, this is one place where DC can easily gain the upper hand over Marvel. DC has an all-star lineup of strong, iconic women under its belt and is clearly willing to give them their own movies. Marvel, on the other hand, doesn't even own the rights to most of its best, most iconic female characters and is struggling to put out even *one* movie with a female lead. The Disney ownership isn't helping, either. Disney has outright said that they've put next-to-zero effort into marketing Marvel (and Star Wars, for that matter) to girls because they feel like they already have that market cornered with the Disney Princess and Frozen franchises.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 23, 2017 16:18:33 GMT -5
Eurgh Disney, I have such a love/hate relationship with the company. Its like they do the bare minimum to satisfy fans and nothing more. Never going out of their way to please as many people as they can. That kind of thinking will limit them more and more as time goes on.
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Post by Tim on Apr 23, 2017 17:27:57 GMT -5
Well, they already gave on her own TV show, Supergirl, of course. Ironic, because this is a character that DC once tried to get rid of in the Crisis On Infinate Earths, thirty-two years ago.
Hey, Disney, wake up and smell 2017, will you!
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 24, 2017 1:00:12 GMT -5
Eurgh Disney, I have such a love/hate relationship with the company. Its like they do the bare minimum to satisfy fans and nothing more. Never going out of their way to please as many people as they can. That kind of thinking will limit them more and more as time goes on. Disney's the exact reason why MCU movies have become generic, mass-produced schlock, and there's a very real possibility that Star Wars will get driven down that path as well. Disney doesn't see these properties as anything more than advertising and merchandising machines to milk every last drop of money out of. They could care less about how women are treated in these movies as long as they continue to rake in $$$.
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Post by Tim on Apr 24, 2017 23:17:37 GMT -5
Well, the latest Star Wars movie, Rogue One, had a female lead. As did The Force Awakens.
So SW is not totally ignoring women.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 25, 2017 12:28:34 GMT -5
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Post by Tim on Apr 25, 2017 17:11:56 GMT -5
I was only aware of the movies, not the merchandising.
Yeah, Rogue One really only had one strong female. Still, she was the lead and the plot revolved mostly around her.
And both female leads of The Force Awakens and Rogue One did not lie down and die because a man broke her heart (yes, Padme, I'm looking at you).
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 25, 2017 23:11:02 GMT -5
Movies like Rogue One are why the Bechdel Test exists: LOADS of movies fail this otherwise very simple test, and that's because, even in this day and age, most movies still don't have more than one or two female characters of note. Rogue One shows that this is even the case in movies that have a strong, well-written female protagonist. Way too many filmmakers are still stuck in the mindset that only one or two female characters is "enough," and that roles that aren't designated "female" are male by default.
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Post by Tim on Apr 25, 2017 23:25:24 GMT -5
Well, there was a conversation between Jyn Erso and Mon Mothma (the leader of the Rebel Alliance) in Rogue One. However, they could have done more.
And they could have added another women to Jyn's crew.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 26, 2017 4:27:33 GMT -5
The main demographic or these types of movies are boys and men, and young boys especially don't want to see a group of females, they want someone they can aspire to be and relate to, aka a male.
Girls deserve this type of movie as well, as we're seeing with more and more female superhero movies coming out, right now it seems all girls are influenced to be are damsels in distress or barbies. That's why I'm so excited for Wonder Woman, I really feel like it's going to make an impact, and be that one mainstream movie that girls need to show them they can be strong in the modern age.
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Post by Tim on Apr 26, 2017 11:05:05 GMT -5
Yeah, me too. Gal Gadot was a good WW and she deserves a movie in which she can showcase that talent.
Interesting that the movie will have WW's background involving World War I. I've always associated her background with World War II (of course, the character was created during that war, in 1941).
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Post by adzpower on Apr 27, 2017 4:28:12 GMT -5
I have a feeling they switched to WW1 because of the similarities to Captain America, who of course was created later but the MCU have already done his origin, a war hero from WW2 whose main weapon is a shield? Yeah, I can see that DC didn't want "copy" being thrown at it so decided to go for a different war.
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Post by Tim on Jul 18, 2017 0:22:07 GMT -5
When Betty started this thread (on the old board, back in 2014), part of her first post included this:
I have to wonder, what does Jessica Ebner-Statt think of the recent announcement that Jodie Whittaker will be the first female Doctor?
Clearly, this is a major leap forward for female leads on television. I mean this is the Doctor, a major science fiction icon character for decades now. While the idea of a female Doctor has been bandied about since Tom Baker and then Producers of Who, John Nathan-Turner, made a joke about it in 1980. no one thought that it would never happen. Now, it finally has.
If the female Doctor succeeds, then perhaps it will pave the way for more female leads, not only in Science Fiction, but all genres of television shows.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 18, 2017 11:14:55 GMT -5
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