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Post by adzpower on Mar 21, 2017 15:15:16 GMT -5
Haha, well tbh I'd be fine with most things as long as they're good. My biggest want is a Kanto sequel, which means we will absolutely not be getting a Kanto sequel as that's just how the world works lol.
I'd love to show up in Professor Blue Oak's lab (surely the original would be retired or dead by now?) and pick my Pokemon only for Lillie to waltz in behind me and pick her own starter, my rival for the game! They can expand on the ultra beasts, heck if they really wanted to do they could reform Team Rocket and have them toy with the wormholes, but actually work them into the story this time please GF.
What do we think the games would be called? Scarlet Red and Turquoise Blue? (I say turquoise as its a mix of blue and green). Or something completely unrelated to the original Kanto games?
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 21, 2017 18:52:06 GMT -5
I'd love to show up in Professor Blue Oak's lab (surely the original would be retired or dead by now?) and pick my Pokemon only for Lillie to waltz in behind me and pick her own starter, my rival for the game! They can expand on the ultra beasts, heck if they really wanted to do they could reform Team Rocket and have them toy with the wormholes, but actually work them into the story this time please GF. What do we think the games would be called? Scarlet Red and Turquoise Blue? (I say turquoise as its a mix of blue and green). Or something completely unrelated to the original Kanto games? AmberRed (Yellow + Red) and JadeBlue (Green + Blue). Mascots would be Mega Charizard Y and Mega Blastoise unless I can think of something better. All Kanto starters come with both their Mega Stones (Charizard gets Y in AmberRed, Z in JadeBlue) and a unique Z Move. Serving a similar role as the elemental monkeys in BW and the Kanto starters in XY, you also get gifted a Johto starter early in the game, and they also have unique Z Moves. Pokédex includes all of the first 251, plus Azurill, Wynaut, Sylveon, and the pre/evolutions introduced in Gen 4. There will also be several Kanto variants of Gen 5-7 Pokémon, mostly to fill in the rarer types like Ice, Dragon, Ghost, Dark, Steel, and Fairy. (Since Kanto was present in Gens 3 and 4 via FRLG/HGSS, I'm not comfortable with making Kanto variants of Hoenn/Sinnoh Pokémon. But, Unova/Kalos/Alola Pokémon are fair game, and the Unova/Kalos Pokémon mostly got screwed out of Megas last gen, anyways, so they could use the spotlight.) Protagonist is the daughter/son of Prof. Blue Oak, who's a single dad (bucking the trend of most of the games having single moms). The girl's canon name is Amber, and the boy's canon name is Jade, which breaks the "tradition" of the girl always being named after second/third versions. The main rival is Lillie, while the unselected PC is a secondary rival who assists your father at his lab and helps you throughout your journey. Lillie will always have the starter strong against yours as well as an Eevee, echoing the rival starters from both RB and Yellow. The unselected PC will always start with a Pikachu, referencing Yellow's starter. Gym Changes: - Brock has retired from his gym to fulfill his lifelong dream of being of a Pokémon Breeder, and he now runs his own Day Care Center. He gave the gym to his younger sister Luna, who turned it into a Fairy gym. Her main Pokémon is Togetic. - Viridian Gym was torn down sometime after Blue abandoned it to become a professor. A Battle Tower/Maison/etc. clone now sits in its place. - Misty became an E4 member and passed the gym down to her daughter, Madison. Gym is still Water type. - Saffron is now the third gym, and it was taken over by Jared (the Psychic in the gym with a Mr. Mime in GSC/HGSS) after Sabrina took up a career in acting. - Lt. Surge, Janine, and Erika are all still there, but the intended order is different. Vermillion is fourth, Fuchsia is fifth, and Celadon is sixth. - The seventh gym is in Lavender Town, and it's Dark type. The gym leader is a new character named Ciara, and her ace is a Dark type Kanto variant of a newer Pokémon. - Blaine grew old and passed away, while a new gym was later rebuilt on Cinnabar Island. Silver (the Gen 2 rival) is the gym leader, and he has no type specialty. He grew out of his old abusive ways and now fights on the side of good. He wants nothing to do with either Team Rocket or the legacy of his neglectful parents, Giovanni and Ariana. Elite Four/Champion: - First member is Misty. Her ace is still Starmie. - Second member is Dusty, a Ground specialist. Her ace is a Ground type Kanto variant of a newer Pokémon. - Third member is an elderly Koga (echoing Agatha from RBY/FRLG). His ace is still Crobat. - Fourth member (and leader of the E4) is Leona, the teenage daughter of Lance and Lorelei. She uses Dragon types, and her ace is Mega Dragonite (which is Dragon/Fairy). Like Lance in RBY/FRLG, her room is larger, and she uses a different battle theme. - The Champion is your rival, Lillie.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 22, 2017 5:55:45 GMT -5
Fabulous ideas Betty! Now THIS I would love to play, let's get you a job at Game Freak ASAP.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 22, 2017 15:28:51 GMT -5
Thanks, Adam. Some other character stuff about AmberRed/JadeBlue: - The Viridian City battle facility works like the Battle Tree from SM and has several character cameos, including (but not limited to): Red Blue Silver Misty Lance Lorelei Brock Sabrina Steven Wallace Alder Caitlin Diantha Malva Also, Red/Blue are the only characters who are in this game's battle facility and SM's Battle Tree, so no Cynthia, Anabel, and Wally. Time to let other characters have the spotlight. - Lots of hints towards Red X Misty are peppered throughout the game. Madison has blue/green eyes like Misty, yet has brown hair. Her father is stated to be "a powerful former Champion and hero of Kanto," and she has dolls of Staryu and Pikachu displayed prominently in her bedroom. Madison's ace Pokémon is Azumarill, and Marill's family is seen as being a Water version of Pikachu's family. The game's end credits also include a brief scene of Misty and Red together at Cerulean Cape. - Misty has always been a huge fan of Lorelei and Lance while growing up, and she eventually became a family friend to them. She used to be Leona's babysitter, and now, Leona is Madison's babysitter. - Little is known about Blue's wife and Amber/Jade's mother. She went on a journey to a faraway place when the protagonist was only 5 and was never seen or heard from again. It hurts Blue to think or speak about her, especially since she disappeared not long after his grandfather passed away. There are loads of conspiracy theories about her being the FRLG female protagonist, Kris from Crystal, Lyra from HGSS, or some other completely random character, but her identity remains a complete mystery. - Speaking of the Gen 2 protagonists, they're never directly referenced throughout the game and are only alluded to in generic, gender neutral terms. This is to avoid making the same mistakes that GSC made in canonizing Red (and thus causing FRLG's female protagonist to later be erased from canon). - For similar reasons (can't canonize any starter), Silver no longer has the Johto starter he stole, having released it in a Pokémon sanctuary. His ace in the games is Weavile, and he also has a Nidoking in reference to this scene from the anime. - While Silver is no longer the rude, violent kid he was when he was in GSC/HGSS, he's still a very lonely, reclusive person. He lives alone on an island just outside of Cinnabar, and he has no friends besides Ciara (Lavender's gym leader). He later becomes a friend and mentor to Lillie, as he can relate to her struggles as the runaway child of a villain team leader. - Dialog from Ciara implies that she is the "white hand" girl from outside of Pokémon Tower in RBY/FRLG. Although she's a Dark specialist and not a Ghost one, her gym is horror-themed and filled with fog, gravestones, and spiderwebs, resembling the old Pokémon Tower.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 22, 2017 16:49:05 GMT -5
Wow Betty I can't believe how much thought you've given all this, not just names and places but proper lore as well, its very impressive. I wonder who Blue's wife could have been? Which reminds me, did you ever hear the theory about Blue's Pokemon being killed by Red?
On the SS Anne, your rival battles you with a Raticate, you knock it out and its then never seen again in future battles, a lot of fans have a theory that the Raticate died because Blue was trapped on the boat and couldn't get to the Pokemon centre on time. Pretty sad.
But perhaps in these new sequels you catch Professor Blue on odd days visiting the cemetary in Lavender Town, honoring his lost friend.
So would Brock perhaps be the daycare man in these games?
Love that you've included Silver, perhaps a reunion with his father at some point? Presumably Team Rocket would be back in some shape or form. Perhaps he can achieve ultimate redemption by helping you take them down like Lance did in Gold/Silver.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 22, 2017 22:51:10 GMT -5
Wow Betty I can't believe how much thought you've given all this, not just names and places but proper lore as well, its very impressive. I wonder who Blue's wife could have been? Which reminds me, did you ever hear the theory about Blue's Pokemon being killed by Red? On the SS Anne, your rival battles you with a Raticate, you knock it out and its then never seen again in future battles, a lot of fans have a theory that the Raticate died because Blue was trapped on the boat and couldn't get to the Pokemon centre on time. Pretty sad. But perhaps in these new sequels you catch Professor Blue on odd days visiting the cemetary in Lavender Town, honoring his lost friend. So would Brock perhaps be the daycare man in these games? Love that you've included Silver, perhaps a reunion with his father at some point? Presumably Team Rocket would be back in some shape or form. Perhaps he can achieve ultimate redemption by helping you take them down like Lance did in Gold/Silver. I'm having a lot of fun with this! Silver plays the same kind of "friendly older mentor figure who helps you beat the bad guys" role throughout the game as Lance did in GSC/HGSS (and Steven in RSE/ORAS and Cynthia in DPP), which will lead players into believing that he's the Champion. Then, he turns out to be the final gym leader, and we get surprised by Lillie at the end of the Indigo Plateau instead. I want to see a proper confrontation between Silver and BOTH of his parents (let's finally canonize what's obvious, aka. Ariana being his mom). It has to be a big, climactic scene, though. Any ideas for a Team Rocket plot? I'm pretty stumped on that, TBH. Since they're designed to show off the Switch's greater capabilities compared to any other past handheld, AmberRed and JadeBlue go all out to be the most expansive, fully-featured games yet: - All Pokémon follow you like in HGSS, but this time in beautiful high-res 3D. You can also now choose which Pokémon you want to follow you instead of it defaulting to the first member in your party. - You can also fully customize and decorate your bedroom like in GSC/HGSS, but with far more options than before. You also get special certificates to display in your room whenever you transfer a Pokémon that originated in FRLG, HGSS, or the VC releases of RBY and GSC to ARJB, similar to what you get when you transfer a Pokémon from RSE to ORAS. (There are 6 collectible certificates in total: one for RGB, one for Yellow, one for GS, one for Crystal, one for FRLG, and one for HGSS.) - Although Amber and Jade have canon "default" looks (as both are meant to strongly resemble Blue), you can fully customize them just like the protagonists in XY and SM. Every town includes a place where you can change your looks (and for no charge). As the game progresses, you can unlock special new outfits: Amber:
- Green's beta outfit - Green's FRLG outfit - Kris' outfit - Lyra's outfit - Cooltrainer outfit - Rocket Grunt outfit - Psychic outfit (based on Sabrina's FRLG outfit) - Dragon Tamer outfit (based on Clair's GSC outfit) - Ninja outfit (based on Janine's GSC outfit)
Jade:
- Red's RBY outfit - Red's FRLG outfit - Gold's outfit - Ethan's outfit - Cooltrainer outfit - Rocket Grunt outfit - Psychic outfit (based on Will's GSC outfit) - Dragon Tamer outfit (based on Lance's RBY outfit) - Ninja outfit (based on Koga's FRLG outfit) The Kanto protagonist outfits are unlocked when you clear Kanto and the Round 1 Elite Four, while the Johto protagonist outfits are unlocked when you clear Johto and the Round 2 Elite Four. Beating Jared unlocks the Psychic outfits, beating Janine unlocks the Ninja outfits, beating Silver unlocks the Cooltrainer outfits, and beating Clair unlocks the Dragon Tamer outfits. Beating the main Team Rocket story in Kanto unlocks the Rocket Grunt outfits. - Yup, in case you didn't already guess, Johto's also in the game. Not only is Johto not watered-down like GSC/HGSS Kanto, but it's also fully expanded with new areas and many sidequests. You also unlock the National Pokédex right before you go there, so you can also catch more Pokémon. (I'll get into any gym changes later.) - New and improved PokéGear with a built-in VS Seeker replacing unreliable phone rematches. You also get the numbers of every notable character you meet, including all gym leaders and E4 members. - Gen 6/7 style Exp. Share, of course. Experience gain also reverts back to the pre-Gen 5 system, so grinding is made even less painful. - Celadon Game Corner is no more and has been replaced with an arcade, which includes minigames based on Yellow's Surfing Pikachu game and the minigames from Pokémon Stadium. A similar arcade also replaces Goldenrod Game Corner, and it includes Surfing Pikachu and minigames based on the ones from Stadium 2. - While Viridian has its battle facility, a more extensive Battle Frontier-sized facility is also in Johto, located where the Battle Tower was in Crystal and the Sinnoh Battle Frontier was in HGSS. It includes competitive battling areas based on the cups from the Stadium games, as well as non-competitive areas (aka. gain EXP and money from battles) for those who want more casual-friendly challenges.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 23, 2017 5:12:17 GMT -5
God yes, this is sounding like the ultimate Pokemon game Betty. Something else I'd like to see is more of Professor Elm, I always thought he was totally shafted, he doesn't even get to give you the pokedex!
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 23, 2017 13:20:21 GMT -5
I've always felt bad for Prof Elm, myself. Dude doesn't even get to appear in the intro of his games. Some new Kanto variant Pokémon: - Lillipup (Dark), Herdier (Dark), Stoutland (Dark) - Purrloin (Ice), Liepard (Ice/Fairy) - Munna (Fire/Fairy), Musharna (Fire/Fairy) - Blitzle (Electric/Dark), Zebstrika (Electric/Dark) - Roggenrola (Steel/Ground), Boldore (Steel/Ground), Gigalith (Steel/Ground) - Timburr (Dark), Gurdurr (Dark), Conkeldurr (Dark) - Sandile (Poison/Dragon), Krokorok (Poison/Dragon), Krookodile (Poison/Dragon) - Scraggy (Psychic/Dragon), Scrafty (Psychic/Dragon) - Trubbish (Poison/Dark), Garbodor (Poison/Dark) - Gothita (Ghost/Dark), Gothorita (Ghost/Dark), Gothitelle (Ghost/Dark) - Tynamo (Electric -- stays the same), Eelektrik (Electric/Dragon), Eelektross (Electric/Dragon) - Cryogonal (Ice/Electric) - Druddigon (Dragon/Ghost) Since SM focused on Gen 1 variants, these games will focus on Gen 5 variants. Notice the heavy focus on rarer types in the Kanto/Johto dex (Dark, Fairy, Dragon, Ice, Ghost, Steel). There will also be some new Mega Evolutions: - Butterfree (Bug/Flying) - Fearow (Normal/Flying) - Arbok (Poison/Dragon) - Vileplume (Grass/Poison) - Bellossom (Grass/Fairy) - Golduck (Water/Psychic) - Arcanine (Fire/Dragon) - Machamp (Fighting) - Golem (Rock/Ground) - Starmie (Water/Psychic) - Lapras (Water/Steel) - Omastar (Rock/Water) - Kabutops (Rock/Water) - Dragonite (Dragon/Fairy) - Meganium (Grass/Fairy) - Typhlosion (Fire) - Feraligatr (Water/Dragon) - Noctowl (Ghost/Flying) - Crobat (Poison/Flying) - Togekiss (Fairy/Flying) - Azumarill (Water/Fairy) - Yanmega (Bug/Dragon) - Honchkrow (Dark/Flying) - Mismagius (Ghost/Fairy) - Slowking (Water/Psychic) - Dunsparce (Normal/Fairy) - Weavile (Dark/Ice) - Kingdra (Water/Dragon)
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Post by adzpower on Mar 24, 2017 4:19:44 GMT -5
Loving all these ideas, keep them coming Betty, they really missed the mark by not including more mega's in sun/moon, I'm not a big fan of them but the more they do the more it can be justified imo. Interested to see how these regional variants would look as well, I bet the designs will be really cool.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 24, 2017 14:13:38 GMT -5
Backstories behind some of the regional variants:
- Stoutland and Zebstrika became angrier and more nocturnal after they were introduced into Kanto and Johto, hence the Dark type.
- Gigalith and Conkeldurr developed as counterparts to Golem and Machamp. Gigalith took on the Steel type to counter Golem's Rock type, whereas Conkeldurr gained the Dark type and became a more violent, less heroic, and more nocturnal version of Machamp.
- Living near the Power Plant on the snowy peak above Rock Tunnel increased the amount of static electricity emanating from Cryogonal, causing it to develop the Electric typing.
- Liepard struggled to compete with the native Persian in grassy fields, so it migrated up to the snowy peak above Rock Tunnel for a better life there, causing it to eventually shed its Dark type characteristics in favor of Ice and Fairy ones.
- Kanto's large number of Poison types made it difficult for Scrafty to survive as a Dark/Fighting type. Constantly having to fight off Pokémon like Weezing, Muk, and Venomoth caused Scrafty to develop Psychic type characteristics. It also gained the Dragon type to better defend itself against invading Grass/Poison types like Vileplume and Victreebel.
- Fear of Fairy bullies like Wigglytuff, Clefable, Azumarill, and Granbull drove Druddigon into the depths of the darkest caves like Rock Tunnel, Victory Road, and Dark Cave, causing it to gain nocturnal characteristics and become Ghost type.
- Gothitelle struggled to survive against the native Alakazam, Gengar, and Mismagius, who competed with it for the same resources and habitats. To better defend itself, it shed its Psychic typing in favor of Ghost and Dark typings.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 25, 2017 5:44:30 GMT -5
Loving these backstories, you've given this so much thought Betty. I particularly love the idea of the fairy bullies
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 25, 2017 13:50:20 GMT -5
Thanks, Adam. A lot of the backstories are based around the fact that Kanto/Johto have more Fairy and especially Poison types than Unova. Psychic types are also stronger and much more dominating in Kanto/Johto than they are in Unova. I admit that I'm still not huge into the idea of regional variants, but I'd have them in AmberRed/JadeBlue since they're a Gen 7 thing, and if anything, it's a fun way to fill in the rarer types in the Kanto/Johto Dex. It also lets me create type combos that either don't exist or are exclusive to Legendaries/Megas/Alternate Forms. It annoys me how so many Ice and Electric types are monotype!
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Post by adzpower on Mar 25, 2017 13:54:08 GMT -5
Yes I find that annoying as well, its funny you mention that because my brother and me play through Pokemon games a lot, and he has always, always been against monotypes, he even tells me off for putting them on my team, he says 12 types are better than 6, which I agree with, but he's like a military guy when putting teams together I also find it weird how electric is only weak to one type, ground, which is cool, but I feel like it should have more, maybe a weakness to water since when covered in water, using an electric attack would harm itself. I dunno.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 25, 2017 22:13:46 GMT -5
Yes I find that annoying as well, its funny you mention that because my brother and me play through Pokemon games a lot, and he has always, always been against monotypes, he even tells me off for putting them on my team, he says 12 types are better than 6, which I agree with, but he's like a military guy when putting teams together I also find it weird how electric is only weak to one type, ground, which is cool, but I feel like it should have more, maybe a weakness to water since when covered in water, using an electric attack would harm itself. I dunno. I think that's balanced out by the fact that most Electric types are frail and easily killed by Earthquake, which is one of the most powerful, reliable, and widely-distributed attacks in the game. Electric types also only resist (besides themselves) Flying and Steel, which aren't the most common attacking types. Ice is probably in the worst shape out of any of the types. Only one useless resistance (itself) and three extremely common weaknesses (Fire, Rock, Fighting). Even worse, GF keeps making Ice types slow and bulky, so they're unable to take advantage of their type's many offensive advantages (Dragon, Flying, Ground, Grass) while still suffering from all of its defensive disadvantages. There's a reason why most people just slap Ice Beam onto Water types instead of using Ice types. (The fact that Water types are super common and everywhere in the game, while Ice types are mostly rare late game Pokémon doesn't help matters either.)
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Post by adzpower on Mar 26, 2017 6:38:42 GMT -5
Very true, ice types are seen as rarer and that's really only because you get them so late mostly. I was hoping that in Platinum they'd be more common since a lot of the region is covered in snow, that or in Black/White in the Winter season they could have had more ice types pop up in different areas. They really need to utilize these functions more properly
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