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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 26, 2017 11:42:20 GMT -5
Very true, ice types are seen as rarer and that's really only because you get them so late mostly. I was hoping that in Platinum they'd be more common since a lot of the region is covered in snow, that or in Black/White in the Winter season they could have had more ice types pop up in different areas. They really need to utilize these functions more properly Type distribution was terrible in the Sinnoh games. DP only had two Fire types in total, and one of them was the starter. The lack of Ice types was especially inexcusable. I can understand warm regions like Hoenn and Alola not having many Ice types, but Sinnoh is supposed to be the coldest and snowiest region. The place should've been loaded with Ice types, but instead what we got was yet another Pokédex overflowing (no pun intended) with generic, throwaway Water types like Goldeen, Tentacool, and Wingull. What's really bad is when a regional dex is lacking in a type, yet GF still insists on creating late game specialists for those lacking types. Hoenn had only two Ice type families (Snorunt, Spheal), yet for some reason we still had to have an Ice type E4 member (Glacia). End result, her being stuck with a team made up of only two Pokémon families, one of the weakest and lamest E4 teams ever in any of the games.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 26, 2017 13:36:48 GMT -5
Oh good Lord don't get me started on the Sinnoh gym leaders and elite 4, just terrible teams all around, Flint was supposed to be a fire trainer and he had what? Two fire types? I know they fixed it for Platinum but it was still ridiculous in Diamond/Pearl, a fire type trainer with I believe a Lopunny and a Steelix?!
They introduced all those new evolutions and you couldn't even get most of them in the story mode, then what was the point?! Some of the decisions GF make sometimes are startling.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 26, 2017 18:30:36 GMT -5
Oh good Lord don't get me started on the Sinnoh gym leaders and elite 4, just terrible teams all around, Flint was supposed to be a fire trainer and he had what? Two fire types? I know they fixed it for Platinum but it was still ridiculous in Diamond/Pearl, a fire type trainer with I believe a Lopunny and a Steelix?! They introduced all those new evolutions and you couldn't even get most of them in the story mode, then what was the point?! Some of the decisions GF make sometimes are startling. As horrible as DP's E4 was, it's better that they just gave the E4 members Pokémon of other types and not do what they did with the likes of Agatha, Lance, Phoebe, and Glacia and give them teams full of dupes and NFEs. Flint having Lopunny and Steelix sucked, but it beat him having a team that looked like "Monferno/Rapidash/Monferno/Rapidash/Infernape." Fortunately, large, diverse Pokédexes now seem to be the norm in the games, likely to prevent these kinds of things from happening. Of course, as all three of the remakes (FRLG, HGSS, ORAS) have shown, GF is extremely reluctant to fix Pokédex issues in remakes of older games. This is exactly why I fear that any Sinnoh remake is going to have DP's horrible Pokédex and give us Flint with Lopunny/Steelix.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 27, 2017 4:04:30 GMT -5
Yeah I have that fear as well unfortunately. We can only hope that common sense prevails and they remake Platinum instead when its time to do so. Of course I'd rather a sequel but again...common sense. GF seem to lack it.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 27, 2017 11:57:47 GMT -5
As I've said before, outside of the Crystal things that made it into HGSS, the rule for GF is to ignore third versions when making remakes. While it used to be easy to claim that FRLG only ignored Yellow because most of Yellow's changes were anime-inspired, this is no longer the case anymore after ORAS came out and ignored everything from Emerald. I think a big problem was that Yellow and Emerald had more significant story changes than Crystal, so it was harder for GF to adapt them into the remakes. The only real story change that Crystal had was an optional Suicune sidequest, which was mostly just an expansion of GS's story rather than an alteration of it. On the other hand, Yellow gave you and your rival completely different starters, while Emerald merged RS's evil team stories and reworked the plot to be about Groudon vs Kyogre. (Emerald also changed the 8th gym and champion, something no other third version had previously done.) Unfortunately, Platinum falls into the same category as Yellow/Emerald and is a third version that had significant story changes from the paired games, so I fully expect any Sinnoh remakes to be 100% DP and have nothing from Platinum. I wish GF had started making single third version remakes with the Hoenn remakes, but GF is money-grubbing and would rather give us two incomplete games than one fully polished game.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 28, 2017 4:20:06 GMT -5
Changing topic here, if you had to live in a region which one would you pick and why? I'd pick Johto, beautiful architecture, lovely landscapes, no extreme weather. Easy access to a beach and a rich history. Sounds perfect to me, oh and if I was a trainer my starter would be Chikorita, probably the least popular Johto starter but has always been my favorite
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 28, 2017 13:34:12 GMT -5
I've always favored Kanto and Johto over the others, mostly for the same reasons as you.
Nintendo has sure been cracking down on the hackers this gen. Ouch!
hxxps://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/846710637740920832
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Post by adzpower on Mar 28, 2017 16:05:26 GMT -5
Ooh yeah I've heard about this, it all started a few months ago when people leaked the game and the idiots who downloaded it decided to actually use the online services before the game was out, um....hello?! You may as well paint a massive neon sign on your 3DS!
I have heard of horror stories though where people who are receiving fake Pokemon on the GTS or wonder trade are getting banned for unwittingly using these online in battles, I feel sorry for those people because most of them are just casual players who won't be able to tell the difference.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 28, 2017 18:07:08 GMT -5
Ooh yeah I've heard about this, it all started a few months ago when people leaked the game and the idiots who downloaded it decided to actually use the online services before the game was out, um....hello?! You may as well paint a massive neon sign on your 3DS! I have heard of horror stories though where people who are receiving fake Pokemon on the GTS or wonder trade are getting banned for unwittingly using these online in battles, I feel sorry for those people because most of them are just casual players who won't be able to tell the difference. Nintendo desperately wanted to avoid what happened with XY when some countries got a hold of the games early and everything got leaked, but it was ultimately to no avail. I think Nintendo only tempts fate whenever they release demos of these games beforehand, because you know that dataminers are going to dig through the demos and pull out whatever they can find.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 29, 2017 5:00:28 GMT -5
Yes I remember the XY debacle, a retailer where I live, Tesco, released their pre-orders for the games to customers almost two whole weeks early!
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 29, 2017 13:14:52 GMT -5
Since this now happened twice in a row, I wonder if they're going to go back to the old practice of releasing new gens in Japan several months before the rest of the world? That would suck, but I could see it happening. ................ I'm really, REALLY starting to hate this stigma/backlash against early gen fans that's erupted in the fandom over the last few years. It seems like you absolutely cannot say anything good about Kanto/Johto or call those gens your favorites without some punk throwing the G-word at you and saying that you're "blinded by nostalgia." Apparently, the smart, "objective" Pokémon fan must favor at least Hoenn and especially Sinnoh and Unova and despise everything associated with Kanto, Johto, and the early gens. These are the people who feel that 2016 should've been all about DP's 10th anniversary, or that the 20th movie should include the likes of May, Dawn, Paul, and Serena instead of Misty, Brock, and Gary. We haven't seen Kanto in any kind of form in almost a decade (HGSS), yet these people call XY and SM "Kanto redux" solely because of a few cheap references and shoutouts. Yes, let's forget that the only returning character in XY was from Gen 4 (Looker), or that SM had far more returning characters from Gens 3-5 (Wally, Anabel, Looker, Cynthia, Colress, Grimsley, Burnet) than Gens 1-2 (Red, Blue). And, anyone with a brain should know that if Kalos was overshadowed by a past region, it was not Kanto but instead HOENN, which got full-blown remakes full of new Megas and other features that were absent in XY. Yet, nobody's going after Hoenn fans and whining about that region "stealing the spotlight" from newer ones.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 30, 2017 5:45:06 GMT -5
I've seen a bit of this around, it does boggle my mind, before I'd seen this for msyelf, I hadn't even thought of it before, I had no idea people seperated the gens like that, its all the same world, all Pokemon, it doesnt make sense to me, I like Sinnoh the same as any region, although if I did have to state what my least favorite region is, its probably Unova. I just disliked the games they featured in and didn't really enjoy a lot of the new Pokemon, I just found them so-so. The region itself wasn't very imaginative imo.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 30, 2017 13:01:16 GMT -5
I've seen a bit of this around, it does boggle my mind, before I'd seen this for msyelf, I hadn't even thought of it before, I had no idea people seperated the gens like that, its all the same world, all Pokemon, it doesnt make sense to me, I like Sinnoh the same as any region, although if I did have to state what my least favorite region is, its probably Unova. I just disliked the games they featured in and didn't really enjoy a lot of the new Pokemon, I just found them so-so. The region itself wasn't very imaginative imo. Oh, the Gen Wars are very real. A lot of it goes back to Gen 3's hard reboot and how many of the older fans who grew up with RBY/GSC quit the games around the time RS came out, while RS themselves brought in a completely new, younger generation of Pokémon fans. Many older fans are turned off by the style of the newer games and increased focus on things like competitive battling, while many younger fans feel like the newer games are unfairly overshadowed by the older ones and that the older games are "overrated by nostalgia." I think the Gen Wars have especially reared their head in the last couple of years because of the 20th anniversary celebration. The 20th anniversary has meant an increased focus on Kanto and the Gen 1 era, which (for better or worse) has alienated those who didn't get into the games until RS or later. Further compounding things is Pokémon GO and how it brought tons of older fans back into the series. To many younger fans, as well as older fans who stuck with the series past Gen 2, these people are "intruders" who only ever liked Pokémon as a fad and aren't really "true" fans of the franchise. This is where this idea that one has to favor Gens 3 and later to be a "real" Pokémon fan seems to come from. People who favor Gens 1 and 2 are seen as people who only liked Pokémon when it was a huge fad back in the late 90s and early 00s.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 30, 2017 14:33:04 GMT -5
I see. Well that's quite sad. Its weird though because there were Kanto remakes in gen 3, those for me are the true gen 1 experience. I find R/B/Y pretty unplayable now. Maybe I'm a minority.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 30, 2017 19:07:57 GMT -5
I see. Well that's quite sad. Its weird though because there were Kanto remakes in gen 3, those for me are the true gen 1 experience. I find R/B/Y pretty unplayable now. Maybe I'm a minority. Even before the anti-Gen 1 backlash started, FRLG were never the most popular games among fans. They were widely criticized for sticking so closely to RB that they removed the time feature and kept you from evolving Pokémon like Golbat and Chansey. Lots of people also disliked the Sevii Islands and the tedious fetch quest you had to do just to be able to trade with RSE, and they also added a bunch of annoying (if mostly optional) tutorials.
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