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Post by Tim on Jun 26, 2018 16:22:17 GMT -5
Before I start, I have to admit that I never read the comics. Most of what I know of them comes from information from others here and at other boards.
And, of course, unlike Buffy, these comics were never canon. It was entirely up to the readers to accept or reject them as a legitimate continuation of Charmed (despite what CharmedBozo and the rest of the clowns in charge of the Charmed Wiki might say).
The reason I'm on the fence is that I believe that the writers made the wrong choice in continuing the sisters story, when that story was more or less finished. Forever Charmed made sure of that, and Paul Ruditis, the first writer of the comics, stated that he hated FC because it meant that he was going into the comics with one arm creatively tied behind his back.
Still, to give the man credit, Paul Ruditis managed to do some decent work, despite the restrictions that FC placed on him (the Charmed novels that he wrote, are some of the best in that series, IMO). He actually made some attempts to reverse some of the blunders that Kernus made, because he knew that the fans would like that. No doubt he would have continued that, but was never given the chance.
Sadly, Paul was taken off the comics and they were handed over to Pat Shand, AKA Kernus Mark II. If you thought Cole got a raw deal in Centennial Charmed, you hadn't seen nothing yet. Shand basically turned him back into a Phoebe stalker, a story that was LONG dead, and undid all the progress that Seven Year Witch did to him. Why Shand did this, I have no idea. There were plenty of storylines out there, why he felt he had to bring back tired Phoebe/Cole thing is a mystery that no doubt baffles fans to this day. It was a pointless storyline, as we know, thanks to FC, that Phoebe stays with Mr. Cardboard.
Well, Cole fans can thank the dead gods of Krypton that the comics aren't canon, so they can reject Shand's butchering of the character. Heck, I treated him much better in my Rex and Hannah Chronicles 
And there was that whole Prue/Patience thing. Now, I know they did this for legal reasons, they wanted Prue back, but didn't want to pay Shannen Doherty for the rights to use her likeness (or were just afraid she would say no if asked), but I think they could have done it better. Having Prue's spirit inhabit the body of a brain dead woman, that just seems a rip-off of what Ruby, the demon, did on SPN. And I'm sure many picked up on this.
And sometimes the art left a lot to be desired. The covers of the comics often had great renditions of the characters. However, many of the stories, well, why did the characters look less like whom they were supposed to represent than a police artist's sketch would? Come on, people, you could do better than that.
The comics were cancelled after poor sales. Can't say I'm surprise here, considering what Kernus Mark II did.
So, how did you feel about the Charmed comics?
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Post by Jean on Jun 26, 2018 17:56:56 GMT -5
I loved S9 and the two novels. Paul was great writer.
Kernus 2.0 not so much.
I think S9 did a great job of fixing Kernus mistakes and I had fun with S9. But S10 was so horrible and ruined Prue and Cole.
The comics by Paul and two novels based on the comics recommend. S10 by Pat dont waste your money.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 26, 2018 18:17:35 GMT -5
That's what I've heard a lot of people say Jean even over at the Charmed Cafe although like Tim I've not read the comics either actually and so only consider what was onscreen canon, unlike Buffy whom Joss Whedon owned and created of course.
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Post by Jean on Jun 26, 2018 18:19:41 GMT -5
That's what I've heard a lot of people say Jean even over at the Charmed Cafe although like Tim I've not read the comics either actually and only consider what was onscreen canon, unlike Buffy whom Joss Whedon owned and created. I guess many feel the same way as me at the Charmed Cafe. I don't consider a comic and series in the same line. Only the live action is canon. The comics are its own thing. |
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Post by Katie on Jun 26, 2018 19:16:02 GMT -5
The novel the War on Witches based on the comics was one of my Favorite novels by Paul. His continuity is amazing for the series. In it Phoebe finally tells Prue about her boyfriends cat ruining her shirt. It's a great novel.
I liked some of S9. S10 I couldn't get past a few issues.
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Post by Tim on Jun 26, 2018 23:26:18 GMT -5
Looks like the verdict is in. S9, by Paul Ruditis, was great.
S10, by Kernus Mark II, was horrible. He just couldn't well enough alone in regards to Phoebe and Cole. That story had long since played itself out, but he just had to go and dig that poor dead horse up 
They really should have let Paul keep writing the comics. He seemed to respect the characters far more than Kernus Mark II did. Heck, perhaps the comics might still be going today if Paul had been left in charge.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 27, 2018 14:42:23 GMT -5
Who knows Tim. Hearing what's gone on behind the scenes could've put Paul of writing more perhaps unless he didn't like the direction they wanted to take things in season 10 and thought he'd cut his losses before things got bad maybe.
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Post by Tim on Jun 27, 2018 16:13:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess it depends how how much creative freedom he had. We know that he didn't have complete carte blanche, because he had to work within the frame of the flash forward of FC, something that he hated. I get the feeling that, if he could have, he would have found a way around that.
So we don't know if he left of his own accord, or if he was forced out and replaced by Kernus Mark II. Either way, when he left, the comics days were numbered.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 27, 2018 19:32:44 GMT -5
Yes, I got that feeling from members of the cafe.
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Post by Tim on Jun 27, 2018 23:20:13 GMT -5
As I said, it was too bad. Under his watch, it seems that the comics were well liked by Charmed fans.
He seemed to be, as TV Tropes would say, winning back the crowd.
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Post by Katie on Jun 29, 2018 4:07:01 GMT -5
As I said, it was too bad. Under his watch, it seems that the comics were well liked by Charmed fans.
He seemed to be, as TV Tropes would say, winning back the crowd.
Yup. Definitely recommend S9 and the two novels he wrote set between S9 and S10. The War on Witches especially was fantastic. I honestly think Paul really wrote a brilliant novel. Kernus 2.0 had a novel but it never got published and was scrapped. Was suppose to come out in 2017 got delayed to 2018 and now scrapped for good. Hmm I wonder why. |
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Post by Jean on Jun 29, 2018 18:48:39 GMT -5
As I said, it was too bad. Under his watch, it seems that the comics were well liked by Charmed fans.
He seemed to be, as TV Tropes would say, winning back the crowd.
Yup. Definitely recommend S9 and the two novels he wrote set between S9 and S10. The War on Witches especially was fantastic. I honestly think Paul really wrote a brilliant novel. Kernus 2.0 had a novel but it never got published and was scrapped. Was suppose to come out in 2017 got delayed to 2018 and now scrapped for good. Hmm I wonder why. I loved The War on Witches so much, Katie. Especially what we discovered and saw: Victor Bennett and Prue Halliwell reunite was such a wonderful moment. We learn that besides her Whitelighter duties and working at Magic School, Paige also works a couple of days at Social Services. That too made me smile.Phoebe told Piper that her ex-boyfriend's cat peed on Prue's black jacket, In this book, Phoebe finally told Prue the truth. This was again a standout. Piper placed the picture Prue took of the Golden Gate Bridge at the top of her restaurant's menu. This was the photo Prue took shortly before her death, which was then developed by Piper after her funeral. Piper later showed the new menu. I felt more emotion reading this novel/ebook than anything Kernus gave us in S5-8. Again Paul is one of my favorite writers that really should have been on the show. Imagine if he was hired instead of Kernus from the start and worked with Connie. You just know Kernus could never write this, even if Prue did return or they did do what the comics did. Paul knows the history of the show, what fans want and how to do justice. If he didn't have to keep Forever Charmed's flashforwards and they are just a fantasy and not real. I bet he could easily fix all the mess Kernus did. |
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Post by Katie on Jun 29, 2018 23:04:06 GMT -5
Yeah, The War on Witches had many great moments.
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Post by Tim on Jun 29, 2018 23:27:07 GMT -5
Looks like Paul worked hard to fix the mistakes that Kernus made. And it seemed that he was winning back the crowds.
I wonder what would have happened had he stayed on writing the comics.
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Post by Jean on Jul 4, 2018 21:18:38 GMT -5
Looks like Paul worked hard to fix the mistakes that Kernus made. And it seemed that he was winning back the crowds.
I wonder what would have happened had he stayed on writing the comics.
That he is. I wonder if the comics would be on its 11th season, had he stayed. I think Kernus 2.0 ruined the legacy again. |
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