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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2019 17:16:57 GMT -5
Indeed he would.
On the other hand, if Galvin and Parker disappeared for good, I wouldn't care either way.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 24, 2019 7:06:01 GMT -5
Agreed about the sisters Jean.
It's one of the things members at the cafe don't like about the reboot that there's not being as much sisterly moments as original Charmed season 1 and hardly any P03 vanquishes which early on in their powers you'd think they would need.
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Post by adzpower on Feb 24, 2019 17:39:19 GMT -5
I was just thinking the other day I can't remember the last time they actually used the power of three, weird.
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Post by Tim on Feb 25, 2019 0:20:40 GMT -5
Given what we now know about Kernus, I'm not surprised.
Thank the dead gods of Krypton that the three ladies of the reboot don't have to put up with this misogyny.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 25, 2019 9:29:04 GMT -5
Nice that they are not like the original with thin white girls. Kernus would never hire someone who isn't stick thin or someone who isn't, Good to see representation for all shapes and sizes. I remember he wasn't happy Alyssa gained weight after her divorce in S3 or S4. No one wants to admit it, but I still think this is a reason why many fans hate the reboot so much. All you have to do is scroll through the archives of Tumblr to see countless fan-made Charmed reboots from over the years, so fans clearly weren't that opposed to rebooting Charmed. But, the most obvious difference between those and the actual reboot? The leads were white.  Plus, before the show started, I read far more complaints than I wanted to about the show's casting being "politically correct" and "casting for race instead of talent," as if those were the only reasons anyone would ever cast POC as the leads in shows.  One issue I have is they need to do more with the sisters. It is getting annoying they separate the sisters with their own storylines in nearly all the episodes. More sisterly moments than book ending episodes. We barely see them together to face off against demons. That happens every so often. I'd like to see less episodes where they go out of their way to separate the sisters with their own plots and just have one or two vanquishing the demons and not all three. The Power of three barely is vanquishing demons. Out of 12 episodes it has happened only four episodes. I agree. The Veras are clearly less isolated from the rest of the world than the Halliwells were, but that doesn't mean we still can't have sisterly moments or vanquishes that require the Power of Three. |
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Post by Tim on Feb 25, 2019 12:25:09 GMT -5
As I said, I like this aspect, that the Vera sisters actually have real friends. The only time the Halliwell sisters had friends was when the plot required it (like Phoebe's high school friends, whom were needed for Hyde School Reunion, but were never seen before or after that episode).
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Post by adzpower on Feb 25, 2019 16:54:29 GMT -5
I feel like we've gone the opposite from the original, now we actually have the sisters living actual lives but they never do anything together! I know I'm exaggerating but you know what I mean.
And I think they've already more than proved that they were cast because of their talent, not their race, I especially like Sarah Jefferey, she has great comedic timing.
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Post by Tim on Feb 25, 2019 17:52:56 GMT -5
I agree. The three leads are great in their roles.
I don't know why so many have an issue with this?
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Post by Jean on Feb 25, 2019 20:07:19 GMT -5
Given what we now know about Kernus, I'm not surprised. Thank the dead gods of Krypton that the three ladies of the reboot don't have to put up with this misogyny.
It all makes sense now. Glad this reboot won't. |
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Post by Jean on Feb 25, 2019 20:18:36 GMT -5
Agreed about the sisters Jean. It's one of the things members at the cafe don't like about the reboot that there's not being as much sisterly moments as original Charmed season 1 and hardly any P03 vanquishes which early on in their powers you'd think they would need. I was just thinking the other day I can't remember the last time they actually used the power of three, weird. I think this is something, they need to work on more. I'll admit, this might be what is lacking. They need to make S1 more original Charmed Season 1. Your first season's job is buliding up the core stars, and the relationship between the sisters.
Nice that they are not like the original with thin white girls. Kernus would never hire someone who isn't stick thin or someone who isn't, Good to see representation for all shapes and sizes. I remember he wasn't happy Alyssa gained weight after her divorce in S3 or S4. No one wants to admit it, but I still think this is a reason why many fans hate the reboot so much. All you have to do is scroll through the archives of Tumblr to see countless fan-made Charmed reboots from over the years, so fans clearly weren't that opposed to rebooting Charmed. But, the most obvious difference between those and the actual reboot? The leads were white. Plus, before the show started, I read far more complaints than I wanted to about the show's casting being "politically correct" and "casting for race instead of talent," as if those were the only reasons anyone would ever cast POC as the leads in shows. Yeah, the outrage was so big. I really think it wasn't casting them for POC, but talent. They are great actresses. But some will always say it is because of race. <abbr>It is good to see they have their own lives, and not so isolated. Yeah, agreed. We need more sisterly moments, and vanquishes they require the Power of Three, and more episodes where the focus is on all of the sisters as a unit, and not feel the need to always separate them to their own stories.</abbr> I agree. The three leads are great in their roles. I don't know why so many have an issue with this?
I agree, they are great. I don't think people have an issue with the leads at all. Some are not happy that they are doing very little with the sisterly moments, and not enough with them using the power of three. Far too many episodes are separating the sisters into their own plots, with very little power of three spells cast.
And I'll have to admit, this is why the Classic Charmed first season was so wonderful, they spent more time building up the sisters. This reboot has jumped from S1 to S4 basically with the Parker storyline. That is no needed in a first season.
I hope they'll focus more on the sisters, and give them more to do as a unit. Because that is the part I'm finding is lacking lately. Very little power of three spells cast, and too many episodes splitting up the sisters that they don't come together to defeat a demon much.
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Post by Tim on Feb 26, 2019 0:28:12 GMT -5
That's been one of my issues, this is too fast.
Of course, this Charmed is much more serialized than the original series was at this point.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 26, 2019 5:47:44 GMT -5
I do think the reboot should have more sister and P03 moments which it is lacking presently.
At the start, I would understand if that didn't happen straight off because Mel and Maggie discover they have a new sister which would take time to get used to and accept and Macy being an only child now having to work in a team might struggle then or have another way of doing things whilst Mel and Maggie don't arguments ensuring.
With quite a lot of Charmed fans, like those at the Cafe the reason they watched the show originally was for the sisterly moments and not them being witches and that if Prue, Piper, and Phoebe hadn't been the latter at all and the programme just showed the trials and tribulations of them as a family like getting used to Grams's death, Prue grieving for her mother, having doubts whether she should work at Bucklands or be a photographer, Phoebe going back to college, Piper owning her own restaurant and trying to make that work then they would have still watched the show.
Perhaps to make this P03 work during the beginning Harry could've told Mel, Macy, and Maggie that as well as being a team they had to bond as sisters for those spells to succeed meaning the girls had to get to know one another showing more trio moments nodding the original series till one or more of them was about to die with the others trying to defend them activating their combined magic whilst still showing their separate lives also.
Then once they get more experienced and can vanquish lower level evil alone that's done so but there are times when they have to come together still to defeat upper-level ones like Alistair for instance.
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Post by adzpower on Feb 26, 2019 6:15:06 GMT -5
Slightly off-topic but I actually think the whole Parker storyline works better in season one than it would later, why? Because the sisters are new to the world of magic and their powers, at least to me it makes more sense that they'd be more gullible, more likely to fall for a demon lying to them at this point because they have no experience as witches yet, they won't know the signs or what to look for in a trickster. Whereas I found it a little hard to believe that after three years Phoebe couldn't see the rather obvious signs that Cole was trying to kill them. I will say that Prue was clearly not falling for it but she had a lot more life experience than Phoebe at that point plus she had to put up with Roger for however long, she knew the signs of a liar. Like we got to season five and Piper and Paige fell for that blonde hooker demon impersonating Phoebe even though she was acting nothing at all like Phoebe 
So I actually think it makes more sense to do this story early, whilst they are still newbie witches and likely more gullible.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Feb 26, 2019 6:23:04 GMT -5
I see your point concerning Parker there and yes it would make more sense having the girls be fooled by him like Sam and Dean were a couple of times before guessing the Trickster wasn't that at all because as you say this new set of Charmed Ones are presently inexperienced to magic.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Feb 26, 2019 12:05:18 GMT -5
I think this is something, they need to work on more. I'll admit, this might be what is lacking. They need to make S1 more original Charmed Season 1. Your first season's job is buliding up the core stars, and the relationship between the sisters. The biggest problem is that this show decided to charge straight into heavy worldbuilding right from the start instead of taking the time to build up the sisters as characters and establish their relationship with each other. In contrast, the original show didn't start going there until S3, so we had two full seasons to establish the sisters as characters before the storylines started getting heavier and higher-stakes. Hopefully, late S1 and S2 address this issue and slow down the pace. The show's future is now far more secure, so there's no need to rush through everything. Yeah, the outrage was so big. I really think it wasn't casting them for POC, but talent. They are great actresses. But some will always say it is because of race. That complaint always comes up whenever POC are cast in anything. White people are still seen as The Default, so when POC are cast as the leads, it's "casting for race," while white people being cast as the leads is "casting for talent." Frankly, given how the original Charmed " ripped off The Craft and cut out the black character," I think it's only just that we now have a Charmed where two of the three sisters (Macy and Maggie) are black. And, all three of the leads have shined in their roles. Slightly off-topic but I actually think the whole Parker storyline works better in season one than it would later, why? Because the sisters are new to the world of magic and their powers, at least to me it makes more sense that they'd be more gullible, more likely to fall for a demon lying to them at this point because they have no experience as witches yet, they won't know the signs or what to look for in a trickster. Whereas I found it a little hard to believe that after three years Phoebe couldn't see the rather obvious signs that Cole was trying to kill them. I will say that Prue was clearly not falling for it but she had a lot more life experience than Phoebe at that point plus she had to put up with Roger for however long, she knew the signs of a liar. Like we got to season five and Piper and Paige fell for that blonde hooker demon impersonating Phoebe even though she was acting nothing at all like Phoebe So I actually think it makes more sense to do this story early, whilst they are still newbie witches and likely more gullible.
I can see your point, Adam, but I feel like they should've at least waited until late S1 to bring in Parker. I feel like I know more about him and his family than I do the actual leads of the show. Also, they could've cast a far better actor to play him, especially if they wanted to go in the direction of "weak, sickly guy who hates his family and wants to do good" (which is, admittedly, an idea with potential) instead of another Cole-like bad boy. A role like that requires someone who can play tough, yet sensitive and vulnerable, not an uncharismatic block of wood. |
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