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Post by adzpower on Apr 4, 2017 16:23:12 GMT -5
I remember playing through fire red a few years ago, needed a flying type, and realised I hadn't used a Zubat in a long time, got really excited when it was high friendship....only for it not to evolve. The disappointment I felt was crushing, why do GF make such strange decisions? IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ITS FROM ANOTHER POKEDEX I WANT MY DAMN CROBAT!
I remember those annoying quests you had to do when transferring Pokemon, I think it may have been Diamond/Pearl where you had to go out into a mini "safari zone" and catch them all, they all caught in one pokeball and it was completely pointless, such a waste of time.
I did enjoy the sevii islands I must admit, it added something new to the games and I enjoyed the new areas, they were a little samey but at least we had something to do post-game. My enjoyment of recent games has been killed stone cold dead when I get post-game because if you don't like competitive battling you literally have nothing to do.
When I got Pokemon Moon I compeleted the pokedex, shiny hunted for a little while (got myself a shiny Carbink), made a few competitve Pokemon because they've made it so easy now, did the ultra beast thing which took about an hour, and that was it, game over. BORING.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 4, 2017 18:59:01 GMT -5
I remember playing through fire red a few years ago, needed a flying type, and realised I hadn't used a Zubat in a long time, got really excited when it was high friendship....only for it not to evolve. The disappointment I felt was crushing, why do GF make such strange decisions? IT DOESN'T MATTER IF ITS FROM ANOTHER POKEDEX I WANT MY DAMN CROBAT! I remember those annoying quests you had to do when transferring Pokemon, I think it may have been Diamond/Pearl where you had to go out into a mini "safari zone" and catch them all, they all caught in one pokeball and it was completely pointless, such a waste of time. Tell me about it. Ideally, FRLG would've had all of the first 251 (plus Azurill and Wynaut). By that point, it was tough to justify being limited to just the first 151 anymore, even if it was a Gen 1 remake. To me, the thing that probably bothers me most about FRLG is how they felt like a step backwards from GSC in almost every way, even though they were supposed to be newer, more modern games. Ultimately, if I had to pick my favorite "version" of Gen 1, it actually wouldn't be either RBY or FRLG. Instead, it would be the fanmade hack, Red++: www.pokecommunity.com/showthread.php?t=336256Classic Red with the best parts from both GSC and FRLG, along with many innovations from later gens. Fans did Gen 1 better than GF. I did enjoy the sevii islands I must admit, it added something new to the games and I enjoyed the new areas, they were a little samey but at least we had something to do post-game. My enjoyment of recent games has been killed stone cold dead when I get post-game because if you don't like competitive battling you literally have nothing to do. When I got Pokemon Moon I compeleted the pokedex, shiny hunted for a little while (got myself a shiny Carbink), made a few competitve Pokemon because they've made it so easy now, did the ultra beast thing which took about an hour, and that was it, game over. BORING. Yeah, GF has really been pushing competitive battling and multiplayer with recent games. With XY, especially, it seemed like they literally wanted you to just mash through the main story ASAP to get to the "real game," aka. breeding and EVing up a new "perfect" competitive team. This is probably also why they opted not to bring back the Battle Frontier in ORAS and only give us a watered-down PWT (aka, the Battle Tree) in SM. They're afraid that a more extensive battle facility would distract people from multiplayer. Am I the only person who has no use for multiplayer in any game? For me, playing games will always be a solitary experience, and I don't see what's wrong with that.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 5, 2017 9:51:40 GMT -5
I did make a few competitive Pokemon to use in the battle tree facility to earn BP, but after a few days I stopped and thought "why am I doing this?!" so stopped.
If we had the Battle Frontier I would have been more inclined to make some competitive teams for each facility, it might have actually been fun. But now its kind of a joke, I remember having to put in actual work on my teams and now? It takes maybe a day to have a fully done competitive team of six Pokemon, if you're super lucky with how the IV's go then you're done in maybe half a day.
They need something new, because competitive battling bores me to no end. I even watched a few videos from the video game competition last year to maybe see if it looked any fun. It wasn't. It mainly consisted of losers trying to time stall their opponents into winning, making the turns take as long as possible to waste time to get them to victory. Not just bad sportsmanship, but boring as hell to watch as well.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 5, 2017 11:56:27 GMT -5
I did make a few competitive Pokemon to use in the battle tree facility to earn BP, but after a few days I stopped and thought "why am I doing this?!" so stopped. If we had the Battle Frontier I would have been more inclined to make some competitive teams for each facility, it might have actually been fun. But now its kind of a joke, I remember having to put in actual work on my teams and now? It takes maybe a day to have a fully done competitive team of six Pokemon, if you're super lucky with how the IV's go then you're done in maybe half a day. They need something new, because competitive battling bores me to no end. I even watched a few videos from the video game competition last year to maybe see if it looked any fun. It wasn't. It mainly consisted of losers trying to time stall their opponents into winning, making the turns take as long as possible to waste time to get them to victory. Not just bad sportsmanship, but boring as hell to watch as well. Tell me about it. It's just the same people using the same Pokémon and the same movesets stalling each other out to see who has better luck. Basement-dwelling adults have sure done a good job of turning what should be a wonderful fantasy game into yet another boring, rote numbers game. And, sadly, GF has no shame in catering to these people, usually at the expense of those of us who actually want to have fun playing Pokémon. I judge a postgame based on the amount of non-competitive, non-battle facility content that's available, IMO. GSC and HGSS obviously come out on top with a second region, 8 more badges, and Red. HGSS also gets extra points for gym leader/E4 rematches and added Legendaries (Mewtwo, Bird Trio, Weather Trio). FRLG are also up there with the Sevii Islands and E4 rematches. I'd say that Platinum is also pretty close to FRLG, with new areas, new Legendaries, Battleground rematches, E4 rematches, and the weekend rival battles. B2W2 also has new areas, new Legendaries, rematches, and Black City/White forest. Notice that these are all either sequels (GSC/HGSS, B2W2), remakes (FRLG), or third versions (Platinum). Initial games like RS, DP, and BW have always had extremely barren postgames, which usually gets corrected in either a sequel or third installment. This didn't happen with XY, which really drags Kalos down in retrospect.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 5, 2017 13:19:15 GMT -5
Perhaps that is the problem, X/Y didn't receive a third version to build on and it doesn't look like Sun/Moon will either. It seems they purposely wait until the base games are out before announcing all the features we should have gotten in them for the third installment, very sneaky GF, very sneaky indeed.
The one thing I will say for X/Y and Sun/Moon is that imo they had beautiful looking regions and pretty good stories, certainly better than just "clear the team rocket base", but it all feels so empty once you get to the end and realise there is almost nothing else to do.
This is why I loved Sinnoh so much, certainly the games had flaws, but we had so much to do, contests, the underground, battle facilities, new areas, lots of legendaries to find, rematches and more, that stuff kept me entertained, battling non-stop does not.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 5, 2017 18:06:34 GMT -5
Perhaps that is the problem, X/Y didn't receive a third version to build on and it doesn't look like Sun/Moon will either. It seems they purposely wait until the base games are out before announcing all the features we should have gotten in them for the third installment, very sneaky GF, very sneaky indeed. The one thing I will say for X/Y and Sun/Moon is that imo they had beautiful looking regions and pretty good stories, certainly better than just "clear the team rocket base", but it all feels so empty once you get to the end and realise there is almost nothing else to do. This is why I loved Sinnoh so much, certainly the games had flaws, but we had so much to do, contests, the underground, battle facilities, new areas, lots of legendaries to find, rematches and more, that stuff kept me entertained, battling non-stop does not. Pretty much. Imagine if Hoenn had only ever been RS, or if Sinnoh had only ever been DP. That's exactly where Kalos is right now, stuck with watered-down, incomplete paired games and no third version (or B2W2 style sequel) to patch their flaws and enhance the region. This sounds a bit conspiracy theory-ish, but I do feel that GF was originally planning another Kalos game (based around Zygarde), but then scrapped it at the last minute in favor of Gen 7 because of the upcoming 20th anniversary. Consider Zygarde's signature moves, Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves, existing in XY's and ORAS' coding despite officially not debuting until Gen 7. This also makes me strongly suspect that the Zygarde forms that SM introduced were originally intended for Gen 6. Doesn't it make so much more sense for the new forms of a Kalos Legendary to debut in Kalos and not a completely different, unconnected region? XY's and ORAS' data also showed two more slots for Blue Pentagon games, which is a *very* strong indicator that other Gen 6 games were planned. It was also very suspicious how there was no new release or even news of one in 2015.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 6, 2017 5:16:38 GMT -5
I also believe Z moves may have featured in the rumored Pokemon Z, along with Zygarde, why else would they be called that? Seems like they actually had a lot of plans for Pokemon Z but for whatever reason had to scrap them.
It looks as though we aren't getting a new game this year either, it seems recently that GF have slowed down somewhat, I remmeber from around 2007-2013 they were churning out new games almost every year. Now it seems they're taking their time more, which wouldn't be a problem if they actually released a game with longevity that has a lot to do, sadly I got bored of Sun and Moon about a month after it came out.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 6, 2017 12:17:13 GMT -5
I also believe Z moves may have featured in the rumored Pokemon Z, along with Zygarde, why else would they be called that? Seems like they actually had a lot of plans for Pokemon Z but for whatever reason had to scrap them. It looks as though we aren't getting a new game this year either, it seems recently that GF have slowed down somewhat, I remmeber from around 2007-2013 they were churning out new games almost every year. Good observation on the Z Moves. That naming does seem suspicious. One reason 2015 felt like such a drag, news-wise, is because it was the first year since 1997 in which no main series game was released globally: 1998: Red/Blue (Int), Yellow (Jp) 1999: Yellow (Int), Gold/Silver (Jp) 2000: Gold/Silver (Int), Crystal (Jp) 2001: Crystal (Int) 2002: Ruby/Sapphire (Jp) 2003: Ruby/Sapphire (Int) 2004: FireRed/LeafGreen (Jp, Int), Emerald (Jp) 2005: Emerald (Int) 2006: Diamond/Pearl (Jp) 2007: Diamond/Pearl (Int) 2008: Platinum (Jp) 2009: Platinum (Int), HeartGold/SoulSilver (Jp) 2010: HeartGold/SoulSilver (Int), Black/White (Jp) 2011: Black/White (Int) 2012: Black 2/White 2 (Jp, Int) 2013: XY (All) 2014: OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire (All) From 1998-2014, international audiences got a new game every year except 2002, 2006, and 2008, with the longest consecutive stretches being 1998-2001 (RB, Yellow, GS, Crystal) and 2009-2014 (Platinum, HGSS, BW, B2W2, XY, ORAS). Japanese audiences skipped years a bit more frequently (2001, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2011), but they still had trios of consecutive release years with 1998-2000 (Yellow, GS, Crystal), 2008-2010 (Platinum, HGSS, BW), and 2012-2014 (B2W2, XY, ORAS). Now that the games have started to release internationally every year, dead years like 2015 may start to become more common. Now it seems they're taking their time more, which wouldn't be a problem if they actually released a game with longevity that has a lot to do, sadly I got bored of Sun and Moon about a month after it came out. The fandom deserves some blame for this, too. XY, ORAS, and SM all got datamined and leaked to crap before release, which meant that there were few new things left to discover in the games, and the hype around them vanished almost as soon as they came out. The months leading up to a new games' release have become more exciting and fun than the games themselves, which is just sad.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 7, 2017 13:45:36 GMT -5
Yep, the worst thing about it is how hard it is to resist, each time I see leaks or datamines and I try and go without but the temptation gets too strong, I cave. Next time hopefully I'll do better. But in a day and age where itnernet is literally everywhere and posts about seemmingly random things pop up everywhere it gets harder and harder to avoid. So annoying. Next time I will stay away from everything, reddit, tumblr, all the Pokemon websites etc. Of course I'll probably get spoilt for something but I'm hoping to avoid anything hugely major.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 8, 2017 16:09:09 GMT -5
Speaking of spoilers ruining things... nintendowire.com/news/2017/04/08/new-trailer-20th-pokemon-movie-released/... Yeah, seriously, what in the FUCK is the point of this? If you want to tell an all new story with all new characters, fine, but DON'T try to pretend that it's some nostalgic Kanto retelling for older fans. That is called LYING, and is an extremely shady, dishonest way of drumming up hype for what otherwise appears to be a generic Pokémon movie. Man, they should've just gone ahead and made an Alola/SM-based movie if this was the crap we were going to get instead. Misty, Brock, and Gary deserve so much better than to be replaced by some worthless nobodies for an anniversary that is supposed to be THEIRS.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 9, 2017 3:51:55 GMT -5
Wait, wait, wait. Its a re-telling of Kanto, and we AREN'T getting Brock or Misty?! That is very, very shady, clearly now this is just another attempt at tapping into the nostalgia wave for millenials and the 90's children. Eurgh, I really wish franchises would stop doing this, its not like Pokemon is struggling to make ends meet. My only thought aside from that is maybe they wanted to just keep Brock and Misty as gym leaders and nothing more. Like in the games. But really, any kind of hype I had for this movie has just plummeted, if its a classic re-telling then why are they shoe-horning in a new Pokemon? One that was never in Kanto, is not in the Kanto dex nor one Ash has ever encountered. Not impressed at all right now.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 9, 2017 12:40:03 GMT -5
What's sad is that this was probably Misty and Brock's last chance to appear in anything besides the rare flashback. Misty hasn't been seen or heard from since the Mastermind of Mirage Pokémon 11 years ago, and this was after having been written out of the main cast at the end of Johto in a very anticlimactic, unfulfilling way. Brock's last appearance was a lot more recent, but his character was poorly handled in the AG and DP arcs, and a lot of people still hated the way his run on the show ended. This movie presented an excellent opportunity to right the wrongs with Misty and Brock and how the show handled their characters, but no, let's just throw them away and stick a couple of worthless OCs in their place instead. Who cares if Misty and Brock ever get a proper storyline or send-off, amirite? What makes it even worse is that if they truly wanted to ditch Misty and Brock (and Gary) and use different characters to make it seem "fresh," there are already perfectly fine characters in the Kanto/Johto games they could've used instead of pointless OCs: If not having Misty, Brock, and Gary means those three finally getting anime counterparts, I could accept it. At least they're game characters that people care about and would be perfectly appropriate in a Kanto retelling. They don't entirely ruin people's nostalgia, and if anything, would play into the nostalgia of fans who had always wanted to see them in the anime.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 10, 2017 6:59:41 GMT -5
It would have been great to have had an accurate Ash origin story with the appropriate characters, cut out all the filler and give us a great two hour movie. Would have been a fabulous re-telling. Too bad they had to screw it all up by making it another soulless cash grab.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Apr 10, 2017 13:17:27 GMT -5
Negative reactions from another site: Some have brought up an interesting point -- What if they're not showing Misty, Brock, and Gary because they don't want to immediately reveal new redesigns from an upcoming Kanto remake or sequel? Many have taken Piplup and Lucario as a signal for upcoming DP remakes, but I think it's a red herring. Both are extremely popular and marketable Pokémon, with the latter having gotten new toys and promotion with every generation since its introduction. And, why promote DP remakes in a movie that goes out of its way to do a Kanto storyline? DP remake promotion is something that could easily be done in a standard Alola movie, like how Arceus and the Jewel of Life threw in a bunch of Gen 2 Pokémon to promote HGSS. Also remember that the next oldest games after RSE aren't DPP, but instead... And, what just got re-released on the Virtual Console? Not anything Sinnoh-related, that's for sure: And, consider that GF went out of their way to give new designs to the Kanto characters who appeared in SM: But, the Sinnoh characters in SM? They look exactly the same as we've always seen them: Furthermore, they're the exact same two Sinnoh characters who have been shoved at us ad nauseam for several years now. It'd be one thing if we had gotten someone we'd seen very little of since DPP like one of the Stat Trainers, gym leaders, or E4 members, but bringing back not!David Tennant and Champion Barbie yet again is probably just meaningless fanservice, just like their appearances in Gen 5 or not!Tennant's appearances in Gen 6. If GF really wanted to hint at DP remakes, they'd bring back a less obvious character from Sinnoh, similar to how DP themselves brought back Jasmine as a hint towards HGSS. And, besides, it's the lack of cameos from Kanto and (especially) Johto in SM that has me more suspicious. Even though SM are all about celebrating the 20th anniversary, there are very few returning characters from the early gens (and the two we have both got redesigns). Where's Brock, Misty, Sabrina, and Lance? Why bring back Grimsley instead of Lorelei or Karen? Why isn't there a single character that represents Johto/Gen 2? Answer, these characters are all going to appear in the next Gen 7 games, which are set in Kanto (and possibly Johto). We're getting few of them because GF doesn't want to reveal any more redesigns right away. Any "Sinnoh hints" are nothing more than red herrings meant to distract us, not unlike any RSE remake hints that were in the Unova games or "Pokémon Z" hints in XY/ORAS.
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Post by adzpower on Apr 11, 2017 4:04:23 GMT -5
Ooh this has actually got me excited, not about this trainwreck of a movie, but for what games could come next!
We discussed it all before but it seems like a lot of fans share our views about what might be coming next, Kanto sequels!
Though one thing I do not get, so they don't want to show new designs of Brock and Misty in the movie? Why? Re-designs don't give anything away, and if it did, then why couldn't they just use the older designs but with fresh animation?
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