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Post by Squad 51 on Mar 16, 2017 11:34:13 GMT -5
Yep, the "Girls just wanna have fun". The music video was cool . Ah yeah, in that case we should also mention MTV who started this mess with music videos.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 16, 2017 12:49:24 GMT -5
Thanks for more links, Adam. I'll be checking those out, too. I think with Madonna these days she doesn't know what she wants to be, so she tries to emulate the newer generation and it comes off looking quite tacky. Has anyone heard her Rebel Heart album, quite a return to form I'd say, some of my favorites: Joan of Arc: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv40WdbfVw8Hold Tight: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF7H0-PcbmsGhosttown: www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEcp2HlFBwEI still remember watching the Brit awards live a couple years ago and seeing her getting pulled off stage by her dancer, I thought she was in serious trouble but ever the professional she got straight back up and continued, there's a reason she's lasted so long, and that right there is why. I am not a fan of the Erotica era, the singles were fine but I found the album very samey, you can make a cohesive album without all the songs sounding totally alike, something that Madonna has done several times herself. That was one of the biggest issues with American Life. That album was her trying to chase after current trends in pop music, which made her come off as an out-of-touch grandma trying too hard to be cool. Pretty painful considering that Madonna had spent most of her career being a leader and trendsetter rather than a follower. Read More: www.popdust.com/remembering-the-song-that-nearly-ruined-madonnas-career-1889669310.htmlI'd argue that the bad times technically began with her cringey theme to Die Another Day (which also ended up on American Life), but either way, it was a rough period for her. Granted, the early-mid 00s were a rough time for dance pop, in general. Rap and hip-hop took over pop radio, and it was either adapt or die for the pop singers and boy bands who had it big just a few years earlier. Christina and Justin found success by taking on more mature, R&B-influenced sounds with Stripped and Justified, while others like Mandy Moore, the Backstreet Boys, and the rest of NSync simply faded out of relevancy. Jessica Simpson and Nick Lachey became reality show punchlines. And, do I even need to mention what happened to poor Britney during these years? *shakes head*
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Post by adzpower on Mar 16, 2017 13:19:38 GMT -5
I mean early 2000's were good for Britney though, in 2003 she released (what is in my opinion) her best album, In the Zone, no, it wasn't until 2004 that she met that gold digging ho-bag of a boyfriend who shall remain nameless. Still, he gave her two precious children so silver lining and all that. It wasn't really until 2007 that Britney had had enough, she'd lost custody of her children, was being influenced by a very nasty man who routinely drugged her to keep her compliant, alienated her from her family and made her feel very lonely. Culminating in early 2008 her family finally decided to take matters into their own hands and have her sectioned. I think they saved her life.
Back to Madonna, I actually really didn't mind the American Life era, maybe it was because tensions were running high in America at the time but here we didn't seem to care about that stuff since it wasn't about our government or country, Die Another Day, American Life and Hollywood were all big hits in the UK. It was about that sort of time I thinj she moved here to live with Guy Ritchie as well I think so maybe that was a factor?
I know a lot of pop artists transitioned into more of an RnB tinged sound around that time, I guess it was either fit in and change or be left behind.
But yeah, back to the music. I think my favorite albums by her are Ray of Light, Confessions on a Dancefloor and surprisingly True Blue. She's one of those artists who has an album for everybody, she's such a chameleon and adapts to so many different styles its quite scary how she manages to do it each time.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 16, 2017 15:04:11 GMT -5
I mean early 2000's were good for Britney though, in 2003 she released (what is in my opinion) her best album, In the Zone, no, it wasn't until 2004 that she met that gold digging ho-bag of a boyfriend who shall remain nameless. Still, he gave her two precious children so silver lining and all that. It wasn't really until 2007 that Britney had had enough, she'd lost custody of her children, was being influenced by a very nasty man who routinely drugged her to keep her compliant, alienated her from her family and made her feel very lonely. Culminating in early 2008 her family finally decided to take matters into their own hands and have her sectioned. I think they saved her life. Britney's status as a hitmaker actually dropped off quite a bit after Oops! I Did It Again. The highest-peaking single off of Britney ("I'm a Slave 4 U" ) only got to #27 on the Hot 100, and the album as a whole sold less and got mixed reviews compared to her previous two. In The Zone was better-reviewed, and "Toxic" was far more successful than any of the Britney singles, but it still fell short of her first two albums. Granted, I'm mostly speaking from a US perspective, and I think the sales of these albums were a lot stronger overseas (including the UK). While the really bad times didn't begin until 2004 with You Know Who entering the picture, I think the cracks did begin to show in the Britney/In The Zone eras, whether it be her flop movie (Crossroads), the controversy surrounding her breakup with Justin, the kiss with Madonna, or her "marriage" to Jason Alexander (no, not George Constanza, but another one). This was the time where she really wanted to grow up and be seen as a pop superstar in the vein of Madonna, while the public still wanted her to be the virginal teenager from the "Baby One More Time." Back to Madonna, I actually really didn't mind the American Life era, maybe it was because tensions were running high in America at the time but here we didn't seem to care about that stuff since it wasn't about our government or country, Die Another Day, American Life and Hollywood were all big hits in the UK. It was about that sort of time I thinj she moved here to live with Guy Ritchie as well I think so maybe that was a factor? Yeah, regional differences are probably a factor. I know most people in the US associate her marriage with Guy Ritchie with their horrible remake of Swept Away, aka. the movie that killed Madonna's acting career. But yeah, back to the music. I think my favorite albums by her are Ray of Light, Confessions on a Dancefloor and surprisingly True Blue. She's one of those artists who has an album for everybody, she's such a chameleon and adapts to so many different styles its quite scary how she manages to do it each time. Yeah, that's always been Madonna's best quality. She knows how to adapt her style to changing times, so she rarely comes off as a relic from another era.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 16, 2017 15:45:11 GMT -5
Britney actually experienced a huge radio ban in the early 2000's, this person explains it a lot better than I can:
"Clear Channel wanted to sponsor Britney’s ‘Dream within a Dream’ tour supporting ‘Britney’ and so did Concerts West. Clear Channel were the biggest tour promoters at the time and she had worked with them on all of her previous tours, however, despite her original plans to go with Clear Channel as her tour promoters once again, she went with Concerts West for the first time.
Concerts West were also a strong touring company, however, they were also in charge of 7,000 movie theaters throughout the country and Britney had ‘Crossroads’ coming out, so they decided to go with them in order to promote the tour and the movie at the same time, thinking it was a win-win situation.
Clear Channel owned a mass majority of US radio stations (over 750 stations from over 150 cities) and had a list of artists that shouldn’t be played. Their excuse for the list was that radio stations had the ability to choose who they play, depending on their audience. After Britney announced that Concerts West were going to promote her tour, she was added to the list. She wasn’t the only one they did that to (the same happened to Dixie Chicks, for example.) Several court documents were filed talking about how unjustified and unfair it was. "
So because radio plays contributed towards charting singles, and she had about 60% of radio stations boycotting her music, her singles didn't chart highly in the US until around 2008 when the ban was lifted. It was very unfair and all because she jsut wanted a different sponsor. Meanwhile almost all of those singles she released at that time went top 5 in the UK and Europe. Radio makes such a difference.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 16, 2017 15:45:21 GMT -5
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Post by Tim on Mar 16, 2017 17:42:48 GMT -5
Jana: Back when MTV meant Music Television. TV Tropes has a page for what happened here, Network Decay If you brought someone forward in time from 1984 and showed them MTV now, they would not recognize it all. They could be forgiven for thinking that you'd turned on the wrong channel. Katherine and/or Adam, has the UK MTV decayed as much as the North American one?
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 16, 2017 19:47:14 GMT -5
Britney actually experienced a huge radio ban in the early 2000's, this person explains it a lot better than I can: "Clear Channel wanted to sponsor Britney’s ‘Dream within a Dream’ tour supporting ‘Britney’ and so did Concerts West. Clear Channel were the biggest tour promoters at the time and she had worked with them on all of her previous tours, however, despite her original plans to go with Clear Channel as her tour promoters once again, she went with Concerts West for the first time. Concerts West were also a strong touring company, however, they were also in charge of 7,000 movie theaters throughout the country and Britney had ‘Crossroads’ coming out, so they decided to go with them in order to promote the tour and the movie at the same time, thinking it was a win-win situation. Clear Channel owned a mass majority of US radio stations (over 750 stations from over 150 cities) and had a list of artists that shouldn’t be played. Their excuse for the list was that radio stations had the ability to choose who they play, depending on their audience. After Britney announced that Concerts West were going to promote her tour, she was added to the list. She wasn’t the only one they did that to (the same happened to Dixie Chicks, for example.) Several court documents were filed talking about how unjustified and unfair it was. " So because radio plays contributed towards charting singles, and she had about 60% of radio stations boycotting her music, her singles didn't chart highly in the US until around 2008 when the ban was lifted. It was very unfair and all because she just wanted a different sponsor. Meanwhile almost all of those singles she released at that time went top 5 in the UK and Europe. Radio makes such a difference. Wow, I had no idea that happened to her. No wonder the Britney and In The Zone singles underperformed so much in the US compared to other countries. Extremely unfair how Britney was punished like that just because she chose to have someone else sponsor her tour. Just one of many incidents that highlights how evil Clear Channel (now called iHeartMedia) is. They're also the ones primarily responsible for turning FM radio into a formulaic, commercial-laden mess (yes, I know the article's 15 years old, but it's still a relevant issue).
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Post by adzpower on Mar 18, 2017 5:36:35 GMT -5
It really shows how corrupt the music and film business can be, its like the mafia, you have to carefully balance the precious feelings of high-up CEO's if you want your career to thrive, its pathetic. Still Britney has come out the other side now. All's well that ends well. Someone online made fanmade tours for Britney's albums, they remixed the tracks and made them sound live and they're fantastic! I downloaded them and have been constantly listening to them on repeat for the last few days. Man on the Moon: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oRlFJ7rjkYIf I'm Dancing: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLImO7N24gDo You Wanna Come Over: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGFkFRMLrEw
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 18, 2017 9:47:46 GMT -5
It really shows how corrupt the music and film business can be, its like the mafia, you have to carefully balance the precious feelings of high-up CEO's if you want your career to thrive, its pathetic. Still Britney has come out the other side now. All's well that ends well. Someone online made fanmade tours for Britney's albums, they remixed the tracks and made them sound live and they're fantastic! I downloaded them and have been constantly listening to them on repeat for the last few days. Man on the Moon: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oRlFJ7rjkYIf I'm Dancing: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbLImO7N24gDo You Wanna Come Over: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGFkFRMLrEwI imagine that was probably one of many things that caused mental stress for Britney in the 00s. Her current music wasn't getting proper exposure in the US since radio stations were refusing to play her songs. ("Toxic" likely bucked the trend because of its amazing and instantly memorable video, so the song was impossible to miss.) With her music being played less in the US, her personal life began to overshadow her career, especially by 2004/2005. Cool remixes, Adam. It's always amazing to see what fans are capable of creating.
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Post by Tim on Mar 18, 2017 11:36:06 GMT -5
Amazing what tech savvy fans can do these days. Poor Britney really had a hard time, didn't she. Another Disney star who had a melt down
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Post by adzpower on Mar 18, 2017 16:05:24 GMT -5
You see it a lot these days, stars who begin their careers too young, so then when they get a bit of freedom and go off on their own they have no idea what to do with themselves, they've missed out on half their childhood so want to experience what they missed, a lot of them turn to drinking, partying and much worse to try and fill the void. I've been seeing it recently with the likes of Justin Bieber, who I'm not a fan of, but it seems everything he does is a cry for attention, he needs better people around him.
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Post by Tim on Mar 18, 2017 17:25:19 GMT -5
Justin Bieber's rise to fame shows the power of the Internet. There was a time when he was just another kid in London, Ontario, Canada. Then, one day, he made a video of himself singing and put it on YouTube. A talent agent saw it and said "Hey, this kid is good," and the rest is history. When I first saw him on an episode of SNL, I thought "Is this kid old enough to shave yet?" He seemed to go from obscurity to star in no time at all. Had Justin been born a decade earlier, chances are he'd still be in London, living a normal life. So it's no wonder he's having issues now. He didn't have a chance to be a normal kid. And no doubt there will be other cases like his, because of the Net. Sadly, a case with a lot of child stars. Look at what happened to poor Amanda Bynes.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 18, 2017 18:00:07 GMT -5
You see it a lot these days, stars who begin their careers too young, so then when they get a bit of freedom and go off on their own they have no idea what to do with themselves, they've missed out on half their childhood so want to experience what they missed, a lot of them turn to drinking, partying and much worse to try and fill the void. I've been seeing it recently with the likes of Justin Bieber, who I'm not a fan of, but it seems everything he does is a cry for attention, he needs better people around him. See also, Miley Cyrus. And, for examples of actors, look no further than Lindsay Lohan and Amanda Bynes. I think one thing that really messed up Britney was the media obsession with her virginity back in the day. It created this very restrictive and unrealistic image that Britney was expected to live up to, and as she grew up and wanted to start acting like a normal adult who parties, has sex, and sometimes makes mistakes, the media started acting a lot less kind to her. How do you feel about the lost Britney album, Original Doll? lostmediawiki.com/Britney_Spears_-_The_Original_Doll_(Unreleased_album,_Existence_unconfirmed;_2005) Here's "Mona Lisa": www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGx5rHQhZmcInteresting how the lyrics reflected what was going on in Britney's life at the time. If this album ever did exist, it obviously got lost in the shuffle of her issues with You Know Who and eventual breakdown.
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Post by Tim on Mar 18, 2017 23:43:33 GMT -5
I never understood all that. Whether she was a virgin or not. I mean who the hell cares? I didn't.
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