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Post by adzpower on Mar 19, 2017 4:26:40 GMT -5
Aaah yes, Original Doll, the lost album, a lot of tracks from it have actually leaked and I have them, sadly they are tough to listen to as they are not all fully produced and have this tinny quality to them, but this was without a doubt, going to be her Ray of Light, its such a shame because this would have been the album that turned her from pop starlet into artist.
Mona Lisa is definitely representative of the sound she was going for, songs about her state of mind and psyche were very prevelant and you can tell that most of the lyrics were written by her, it must have been a very lonely, dark time for her.
Her label/management were so cretively stifling that not a lot of people know that she can play the piano and write her own music, I remember there was a huge issue with 2011's "Femme Fatale" album because Britney wanted to go in a more personal, RnB route, and had written lots for it, only for her management to completely scrap it and fill it with Dr Luke radio friendly dance songs, I enjoyed it, but you could see she wasn't into it at all.
Let's not even go into detail on 2013's "Britney Jean", without a doubt the worst album of her career which ended up being a massive commercial failure due to how dated and lazy the music and production was.
Luckily since then she transferred to RCA and 2016's "Glory" was a massive return to form, with Britney taking a lot of control of the record. Let's hope she continues to get better and better.
I always feel sad about Lindsay Lohan, she was a terrific actress who was burnt by the industry, I always thought she had such potential, but it seems that potential will have gone to waste.
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Post by Tim on Mar 19, 2017 11:17:16 GMT -5
And then there's Britney's little sister, Jamie Lynn, who went and got herself knocked up at 16. Of course, since she had lots of money, Jamie Lynn never had to worry about the things that most single moms have worry about (food, clothes, etc).
Sometime I think that there should be laws against children entering the entertainment business.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 19, 2017 13:14:27 GMT -5
Aaah yes, Original Doll, the lost album, a lot of tracks from it have actually leaked and I have them, sadly they are tough to listen to as they are not all fully produced and have this tinny quality to them, but this was without a doubt, going to be her Ray of Light, its such a shame because this would have been the album that turned her from pop starlet into artist. Mona Lisa is definitely representative of the sound she was going for, songs about her state of mind and psyche were very prevelant and you can tell that most of the lyrics were written by her, it must have been a very lonely, dark time for her. Her label/management were so cretively stifling that not a lot of people know that she can play the piano and write her own music, I remember there was a huge issue with 2011's "Femme Fatale" album because Britney wanted to go in a more personal, RnB route, and had written lots for it, only for her management to completely scrap it and fill it with Dr Luke radio friendly dance songs, I enjoyed it, but you could see she wasn't into it at all. Let's not even go into detail on 2013's "Britney Jean", without a doubt the worst album of her career which ended up being a massive commercial failure due to how dated and lazy the music and production was. Luckily since then she transferred to RCA and 2016's "Glory" was a massive return to form, with Britney taking a lot of control of the record. Let's hope she continues to get better and better. I always feel sad about Lindsay Lohan, she was a terrific actress who was burnt by the industry, I always thought she had such potential, but it seems that potential will have gone to waste. One has to wonder how things may have turned out for Britney had she been able to release Original Doll. "Mona Lisa" is a dark, foreboding song and points towards what would've likely been a darker, more personal album for her. More people may have seen her as someone who had genuine talent rather than a shallow pop puppet. Sadly, Britney's struggles with the record executives over creative control are extremely common in the industry. Look at the case of Kesha, for example. All throughout her career, Dr. Luke & Co. kept a tight lid on what she was and wasn't allowed to release. Countless songs were rejected from her albums for not sounding "pop enough," and she was forbidden from releasing ballads or anything else that didn't sound the usual autotuned dance pop as singles. Dr. Luke wanted her to recycle "Tik Tok" and "We R Who We R" over and over again, which drove a negative perception of her as a one-trick pony and contributed to her second album flopping. People like Dr. Luke see these pop singers as nothing more than hit machines they can make money off of for a few years and then discard and replace with a "newer model" when the money stops rolling in. A lot of artists who are seen as being "shallow pop puppets" are actually much more than that, but are forbidden from showing their true talent and presenting any other kind of image.
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Post by adzpower on Mar 19, 2017 13:41:56 GMT -5
In the case of Kesha I feel so bad for her, you can tell she is desperate to get away and start fresh, won't some kind, rich celebrity buy her out of her contract from that nasty man?
If I'm honest, I throughly enjoyed her second album when it came out, it was fresh, fun and had the traditional Kesha sound BUT after finding out how she feels about it and how that horrid little imp controlled her I can't really listen to it now without thinking of her situation. Hopefully she can get past it soon, I've no idea when her contract expires but I guess that is what she's waiting for now. Sadly sometimes these "slave" contracts can last well over a decade, meanign she's going to be tied to him for probably a few more years.
I do know she has support in the industry, since the revelation of that man came out lots of top stars like Britney, Pink, Gaga, Miley etc have ruled out ever working with him again.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Mar 19, 2017 19:38:01 GMT -5
In the case of Kesha I feel so bad for her, you can tell she is desperate to get away and start fresh, won't some kind, rich celebrity buy her out of her contract from that nasty man? If I'm honest, I throughly enjoyed her second album when it came out, it was fresh, fun and had the traditional Kesha sound BUT after finding out how she feels about it and how that horrid little imp controlled her I can't really listen to it now without thinking of her situation. Hopefully she can get past it soon, I've no idea when her contract expires but I guess that is what she's waiting for now. Sadly sometimes these "slave" contracts can last well over a decade, meanign she's going to be tied to him for probably a few more years. I do know she has support in the industry, since the revelation of that man came out lots of top stars like Britney, Pink, Gaga, Miley etc have ruled out ever working with him again. Unfortunately, Kesha got locked into a brutal six album contract (which she signed back when she was only 18) that won't expire until those six albums are completed, all of which have to be produced by Dr. Luke. She literally has no way out unless she can get a judge to rule in her favor and nullify the contract, and even then, it would probably still be too late to save her career, which has already been seriously damaged by her personal and legal issues. This entire situation is pretty disgusting and highlights just how little respect and autonomy women are given in the music industry. Dr. Luke not only abused Kesha and stifled her creativity, but also drove her into a dangerous eating disorder. It's tough to watch the "Die Young" music video knowing that Dr. Luke bullied Kesha over her weight while filming it. Really, everything about the Warrior Era seems marred in hindsight by the personal and legal issues that were to come. If you watch the episode of My Crazy Beautiful Life that was about the making of Warrior, you can see how much she poured herself into the album and wanted it to be edgier and more personal than Animal. Yet, Dr. Luke rejected half the songs she sent in and forced the album to have more of the same old standard autotune pop. He wanted her to crank out five more "Tik Toks," not grow or develop as an artist. A lot of wonderful songs still made the cut on Warrior, but they were never allowed to see the light of day as singles and the album was instead represented by generic dance songs like "C'mon" and "Crazy Kids." Imagine how different things might've been had Kesha been allowed to release a song like "Last Goodbye" as a single or put "Machine Gun Love" on the album.
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Post by Tim on Mar 20, 2017 0:20:08 GMT -5
So if Kesha had been a man, this wouldn't have happened? This is 2017, things like this aren't supposed to happen anymore
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Post by adzpower on Mar 20, 2017 5:38:59 GMT -5
Its a sad, sad day when creativity is stiffled, but I suppose all companies are interested in is the money.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 20, 2017 7:17:38 GMT -5
That's why I find if your a musician and have got money then it's good to bring out your own record label like some artists have done because it gives you creative control over everything from how you promote yourself to what album you bring out and how many to what it looks like how you dress what tours you do and interviews etc which as an artist you should have ultimately I think.
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Post by Tim on Mar 20, 2017 9:32:44 GMT -5
I wonder if the rise of online music sites will change that. We could be entering a time when artists can self publish their music, bypassing the greedy companies altogether.
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Post by Squad 51 on Mar 20, 2017 10:30:13 GMT -5
I thought they did it already?! With publishing their music videos on YouTube or other channels. That's why MTV has become a soap channel nowadays. *sighs* If only we were back in the 1980ies ... Where's Doc Brown when you need him!
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Post by adzpower on Mar 20, 2017 11:10:11 GMT -5
MTV these days is a total joke, heck its been that way for a long time now. You either get angsty drama like "Teen Wolf" or dumb reality shows, didn't the "M" stand for "Music?"
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 20, 2017 13:55:24 GMT -5
If you upload an original song on Youtube or whatever platform you use then yes you have creative control and will get royality revenue from it but if you just do a cover or covers then said artist or artists will gain profit for it correct and could either block your video from being shown in certain countries or make you take it down even if they didn't want it obviously unless I'm mistaken that is. I'm not totally up on copyrighting.
Otherwise I can understand why artists might veer towards online publishing save all that agro from record companies.
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Post by Tim on Mar 21, 2017 11:03:47 GMT -5
Of course, online music has been around for a while now. Anyone remember Napster?
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Mar 21, 2017 14:00:07 GMT -5
I do although never downloaded anything from there.
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Post by Tim on Mar 21, 2017 17:32:09 GMT -5
I guess you're worried about viruses and such. Yeah, they can infect such sites.
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