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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 9, 2020 12:19:20 GMT -5
I remember those red Yankee hats, I wear a proper blue one since I am a real Yankees fan But you’re right about TRL, the few times I watched it they had the worst music and screaming kids. I liked Oasis back in the day and it’s a shame they didn’t become more popular in the USA, Noel Gallagher is a brilliant songwriter. I don’t think nu Metal required much talent since the vocals were mostly grunting and rapping plus the guitars were so detuned and distorted it just made a lot of noise. Thankfully it died out, the only one of those guys who’s still around is Kid Rock and he had the sense to make country music after rap rock went out of style. Ugh... Kid Rock just had to take a hammer to "Werewolves of London" and "Sweet Home Alabama" with this monstrosity. And, he (SO naturally!) went full MAGA and became a national embarrassment. If only he HAD stayed behind in the nu metal era. I liked Oasis and that whole Britpop scene, too. I think it was exactly the shot in the arm rock music needed after grunge imploded on itself -- melodic, high-energy, and referential of 60s/70s classic rock, while still sounding new. But, American radio and MTV didn't want to let go of the flannel/sludgy guitars/angsty lyrics and take a chance on something different, so they leaned on the creative dead-ends of nu metal and post-grunge (aka. butt rock) and drove themselves into irrelevance. When a band like Nickelback is the face of modern rock, it shouldn't be any surprise that rap unseated rock as the Voice of Youth Culture. It's amazing that "alternative rock" even still exists as a radio format. If these stations aren't playing butt rock holdovers from the 00s, then they're playing Millennial Whoop pop songs that are only getting called "alternative rock" because they're not rap and the band members sometimes hold instruments. In what universe is Imagine Dragons anything but a (mediocre) pop band? I did read that article and Ughhhh! Limp Bizkit’s version of Faith was just evil and Fred Durst is probably one of the biggest douchebags in music. I agree with the review of the Korn concert, their music is tolerable on a CD player at a reasonable volume but that concert sounded like aural torture. Plus their fans sound like jerks, and that All in the Family song sounds like one of Eminem’s more tasteless songs. I’m glad nu Metal died out. Quoted for truth. These guys were one of the biggest reasons Woodstock 99 descended into a hellscape of fire, looting, and rape. And, three years before that, they also ruined Lollapalooza when the newly-rebranded-into-nu-metal-butt-rock Load era Metallica crashed the alt rock party. The bros and frat boys stormed a scene that was supposed to be for the freaks and weirdos.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Jun 9, 2020 12:52:57 GMT -5
I agree about Kid Rock, he’s another douchebag and it sucks he’s still around. And All Summer Long is a big ripoff, unfortunately now that it’s nearly summer radio will be playing that song like crazy. I guess Britpop was too British for many Americans since a lot of those groups had odd accents and were from provincial England or places like Wales, they were too odd for American tastes. I could actually understand the Gallagher brothers although they have heavy Manchester accents, I also understand Scouse and Geordie from watching Premier League soccer since so many players come from Northern England.
Imagine Dragons are all right but it’s kind of a stretch to call them a rock group, people seem to think any band which plays instruments are a rock group. Nicklecrap sucked horribly, and Creed were worse. I was living in central Florida when they were huge and the local stations played their music constantly, so I had a collection of tapes in the car so I didn’t have to hear their crappy music. Even worse was that they were “Christians” and parents day only let their kids listen to Creed since they thought it was Christian music. Of course Scott Stapp turned out to be a huge douchebag.
I only listen to Metallica from the 80s, the first three albums. After Cliff died, they did treat Jason Newsted horribly and there’s no bass on their 4th album. The Black album was dull and the Load albums sucked so bad, that symphony album sucked, St. Anger sucked and that film with the shrink sucked. They really ought to retire, I much prefer Metallica when they had long hair and did songs about Cthulhu and drank too much 😊
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 9, 2020 19:12:02 GMT -5
I agree about Kid Rock, he’s another douchebag and it sucks he’s still around. And All Summer Long is a big ripoff, unfortunately now that it’s nearly summer radio will be playing that song like crazy. Nothing worse than hearing that intro, getting jazzed up for a Warren Zevon classic, and then having your hopes crushed by the sound of Kid Rock's obnoxious voice. Why hasn't that song been banned from radio yet? I guess Britpop was too British for many Americans since a lot of those groups had odd accents and were from provincial England or places like Wales, they were too odd for American tastes. I could actually understand the Gallagher brothers although they have heavy Manchester accents, I also understand Scouse and Geordie from watching Premier League soccer since so many players come from Northern England. I guess there's a limit on "Britishness" that Americans can take. We fully embraced the Brit Invasion bands in the 60s and the New Wave/Synthpop bands in the 80s, but outside of Blur's "Song 2," "Bittersweet Symphony," and a few Oasis hits, Britpop mostly landed with a thud. I could probably pull out a laundry list of songs from that era that deserved to be far bigger than they were. Imagine Dragons are all right but it’s kind of a stretch to call them a rock group, people seem to think any band which plays instruments are a rock group. I find it a stretch to call them anything besides a corporate outfit that sells music for trailers and advertisements, lol. I mean, it's literally all they do. Nicklecrap sucked horribly, and Creed were worse. I was living in central Florida when they were huge and the local stations played their music constantly, so I had a collection of tapes in the car so I didn’t have to hear their crappy music. Even worse was that they were “Christians” and parents day only let their kids listen to Creed since they thought it was Christian music. Of course Scott Stapp turned out to be a huge douchebag. You can tell that Eddie Vedder feels guilt for inadvertently inflicting Creed, Nickelcrap (lol), and the rest of those crappy yarling bands onto the world. Pearl Jam dropped out of the limelight around the time these bands started showing up, and Eddie even rewrote "Green Disease" to bash Creed. That Mad TV skit really wasn't far off from the truth. I was just a preteen at the time, but "Puddle of NickelCreed" really killed any interest I might've had in new rock music. Instead, I just buried myself into 90s alt rock, and from there, I found 80s alt (New Wave, post-punk, college rock) and the deeper parts of 90s alt (shoegaze, Britpop). The transition from FM to (pre-merger) XM to YouTube/streaming worked wonders for my musical tastes. I only listen to Metallica from the 80s, the first three albums. After Cliff died, they did treat Jason Newsted horribly and there’s no bass on their 4th album. The Black album was dull and the Load albums sucked so bad, that symphony album sucked, St. Anger sucked and that film with the shrink sucked. They really ought to retire, I much prefer Metallica when they had long hair and did songs about Cthulhu and drank too much 😊 Seems like greed got the best of Metallica. Their old metal sound got them critical acclaim, but it didn't bring in the big $$$, and they likely also felt the need to start playing "catch-up" once the 90s Alternative Revolution hit. End result, they watered themselves down into a generic butt rock band and threw temper tantrums over filesharing.
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Post by Tim on Jun 9, 2020 23:17:52 GMT -5
Another remake that didn't need to be made.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 12, 2020 11:31:13 GMT -5
Relevant starter pack.Wish Daria was in the starter pack, though. I guess 1997 might be a little past "mid 90s," but the show was a Beavis & Butthead spinoff and still very much embodied the post-Nirvana, pre-TRL era of MTV. This era was literally the network's last period of relevancy. Shame it couldn't continue.
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Post by Tim on Jun 12, 2020 11:41:15 GMT -5
I remember some of these personalities.
Yeah, the 1990's was the last gasp of MTV.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Jun 12, 2020 11:59:16 GMT -5
I loved Beavis and Butthead, thanks for the pic Betty. After a few drinks I can do a wicked Cornholio and Mr. Buzzcut impersonation, he was awesome when he got mad. No wonder Principal McVicker washed down Valiums with whiskey and was bald, dealing with those two.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jun 12, 2020 12:01:07 GMT -5
There are probably 3 things in the starter pack I know of from MTV even though I never had the channel on TV.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 12, 2020 15:37:57 GMT -5
I loved Beavis and Butthead, thanks for the pic Betty. After a few drinks I can do a wicked Cornholio and Mr. Buzzcut impersonation, he was awesome when he got mad. No wonder Principal McVicker washed down Valiums with whiskey and was bald, dealing with those two. That show was just mindless fun. The two idiots were the perfect embodiment of the "brainless American teenage bro," obsessed with rock music, chicks, violence, and junk food. They constantly wrecked havoc and often unintentionally revealed that the rest of the town wasn't a whole lot smarter or less superficial than them. Did you ever watch any of Daria? I probably latched onto that show harder than I did its predecessor (look at my avatar/banner, ha ha). Daria was an extremely relatable protagonist for me -- snarky, bespectacled loner who felt out of place in generic suburbia -- and I loved her dynamics with the two Lane siblings (Jane and Trent), who were clearly outsiders in that town, too. But, the show fell apart so much after a very strong first two seasons. It seems like midway through Season 3, the show's writers started hating their own protagonist, and the show started going out of its way to destroy Daria's closest friendships and tear her down. Tom was such a toxic, horrible addition to the show. He destroyed Daria's friendship with Jane (and arguably drove a wedge between her and Trent, as well) and did nothing but insult and belittle her. Tom was so blatantly a mouthpiece for the writers to vent their frustrations on Daria, the Lane siblings, and their fans. I love Daria to pieces, but I can't stand to watch Seasons 4 and 5 (including the S3 finale). That's something I have to give to Beavis and Butthead over its spinoff. The show never lost its way and actually got sharper and funnier in its later seasons. Even the 2011 revival was very good! ( Shame it was a ratings flop.)
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Post by Tim on Jun 12, 2020 16:30:06 GMT -5
Did you ever watch any of Daria? I probably latched onto that show harder than I did its predecessor (look at my avatar/banner, ha ha). Daria was an extremely relatable protagonist for me -- snarky, bespectacled loner who felt out of place in generic suburbia -- and I loved her dynamics with the two Lane siblings (Jane and Trent), who were clearly outsiders in that town, too. But, the show fell apart so much after a very strong first two seasons. It seems like midway through Season 3, the show's writers started hating their own protagonist, and the show started going out of its way to destroy Daria's closest friendships and tear her down. Tom was such a toxic, horrible addition to the show. He destroyed Daria's friendship with Jane (and arguably drove a wedge between her and Trent, as well) and did nothing but insult and belittle her. Tom was so blatantly a mouthpiece for the writers to vent their frustrations on Daria, the Lane siblings, and their fans. I love Daria to pieces, but I can't stand to watch Seasons 4 and 5 (including the S3 finale). That's something I have to give to Beavis and Butthead over its spinoff. The show never lost its way and actually got sharper and funnier in its later seasons. Even the 2011 revival was very good! ( Shame it was a ratings flop.)
Did Daria get a new show runner? We know from experience when, when the original leaves and someone new takes over, said show usually goes to s**t.
Did that happen here?
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Jun 12, 2020 17:34:55 GMT -5
I never got into Daria, the humor seemed a bit off to me. But I did love Beavis and Butthead and their movie, they were so stupid and anything they did was funny. I always wanted to know how they got jobs at Burger World, why they were in high school and where were their parents? I suppose Highland has a severe labor shortage if Burger World was that desperate for employees. One episode had them put motor oil in the fry machine and they nearly blew up the restaurant😅 In another they had to work the late shift and were frying rats and worms, and throwing food at the ceiling fan when the health inspector comes and condemns the place. Of course, they thought it was cool. Of course in the film, we see the apple didn’t fall far from the tree
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 12, 2020 19:53:50 GMT -5
Did Daria get a new show runner? We know from experience when, when the original leaves and someone new takes over, said show usually goes to s**t. Did that happen here?
I don't know, but I do know the show had different writers/producers than Beavis & Butthead and that the showrunner openly trash-talked fans who shipped Daria/Trent, telling them they weren't "watching the show right." It feels like the people working on this show simply didn't understand it or its fandom at all. Maybe, they went into the show thinking it would be a distaff Beavis & Butthead and got taken back when it attracted a different fanbase (even though that's what a good spinoff is supposed to do). It's also possible that they were never that invested in Daria in the first place (since she was a character they didn't create) and got tired of her after a few seasons. You also can't discount the possibility of executive meddling from MTV, especially since Daria's later seasons aired when the network was transitioning into 100% TRL/reality TV. I love the show so much, but it frustrates me how badly it ended. I honestly wish the show had just gotten canceled after S3. I never got into Daria, the humor seemed a bit off to me. What do you mean? Did you think Daria was too mean? But I did love Beavis and Butthead and their movie, they were so stupid and anything they did was funny. I always wanted to know how they got jobs at Burger World, why they were in high school and where were their parents? I suppose Highland has a severe labor shortage if Burger World was that desperate for employees. One episode had them put motor oil in the fry machine and they nearly blew up the restaurant😅 In another they had to work the late shift and were frying rats and worms, and throwing food at the ceiling fan when the health inspector comes and condemns the place. Of course, they thought it was cool. Of course in the film, we see the apple didn’t fall far from the tree The Burger World episodes were always some of my favorites. Remember when they gave Mr. Anderson a fried rat and "french flies?"
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Jun 12, 2020 19:58:12 GMT -5
[What do you mean? Did you think Daria was too mean] Maybe, the show wasn’t as obviously funny as Beavis and Butthead and I just never developed a taste for the show.
Yeah, poor Mr. Anderson. He never seemed to realize they were messing with him and he kept mistaking them for other kids. I hope he actually didn’t eat that so-called food, I wonder how Burger World stays in business with those two as employees. My favorite episode set at Burger World was Vaya con Cornholio when Beavis accidentally got deported by the INS after he drank Buzz cola and they thought he was an illegal immigrant, it was funny when the Mexican people on the bus were confused by him and wanted to know why he wanted toilet paper.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 12, 2020 20:59:46 GMT -5
Maybe, the show wasn’t as obviously funny as Beavis and Butthead and I just never developed a taste for the show. I love both shows, but they definitely play to different audiences. Daria was always on the edge of being a dramedy vs a straight-up comedy like its predecessor. (And, the show arguably became a straight-up teen drama in its last two seasons. Another reason why those seasons sucked.) Yeah, poor Mr. Anderson. He never seemed to realize they were messing with him and he kept mistaking them for other kids. I hope he actually didn’t eat that so-called food, I wonder how Burger World stays in business with those two as employees. My favorite episode set at Burger World was Vaya con Cornholio when Beavis accidentally got deported by the INS after he drank Buzz cola and they thought he was an illegal immigrant, it was funny when the Mexican people on the bus were confused by him and wanted to know why he wanted toilet paper. I remember that one, too. " Radio Sweethearts" is another Burger World favorite of mine. That hack FM DJ got trolled!
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Post by Tim on Jun 12, 2020 23:20:34 GMT -5
Yeah, the management at MTV might have been changing.
And we all know how that ended.
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