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Post by Tim on Jul 9, 2020 23:20:13 GMT -5
Nice to see some old sites still survive.
Sometimes I forget how young you were when Daria was on.
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Jul 10, 2020 1:05:44 GMT -5
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 10, 2020 1:05:44 GMT -5
Yup, I saw the show in reruns in the early-mid 00s. I wish I had been old enough to watch it when it was new. -------------------- Notice that both of those sites I linked to revolve around Trent Lane rather than Daria herself. He was probably the character screwed over the most by the show's later seasons. He had so much potential that was never realized just because the showrunner hated people shipping him with Daria. He seemed like a "slacker," but he was shown to be smarter and more aware than he looked. And, he was also the most unambiguously friendly character on the show. He made Daria SMILE. But, his character was never properly developed, and he slipped into the background after S3. (And, lost his male lead position to Gary Stu Tom Sloane.) The number of scenes he even had with Daria after S3 can be counted on one hand.
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Jul 10, 2020 11:15:39 GMT -5
Post by Tim on Jul 10, 2020 11:15:39 GMT -5
Sounds like these two characters had real chemistry. Something the morons in charge didn't see.
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Jul 10, 2020 16:33:35 GMT -5
Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 10, 2020 16:33:35 GMT -5
Sounds like these two characters had real chemistry. Something the morons in charge didn't see. Tell me about it. I get that they had an age gap (Daria was 17, Trent was 22), so it probably wasn't appropriate for them to hook up when Daria was still a minor in high school. But, the show could've simply left it open and maybe, waited until the series finale to put them together. There was no need to tear them down and Flanderize Trent's character to "get back" at Daria/Trent fans (the majority of whom were teenage girls). If anything, it only makes the show's writers look bad, since they clearly didn't see the same depth in Trent (and even Daria herself) that fans did. If they disliked these characters that much and were that tired of writing about them, then they should've just ended the show at S3 and moved on.
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Post by Tim on Jul 10, 2020 16:52:36 GMT -5
Or just wait until Daria turned 18, she would have been legally an adult then.
And it was only a five year age difference. I know a couple that have a 15 year age difference, yet they've been happily married for years and have three kids.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 10, 2020 22:58:26 GMT -5
Or just wait until Daria turned 18, she would have been legally an adult then.
And it was only a five year age difference. I know a couple that have a 15 year age difference, yet they've been happily married for years and have three kids. Yeah, a 5 year age gap doesn't mean much once you get out of your teens. People who bring that up to put down Daria/Trent are making a mountain out of a molehill. -------------------- While the showrunner sucked, Trent's voice actor was on the good side. Love this quote I found from him:
"Do you think Trent and Daria would've worked as a couple?
Yes, without a doubt. They compliment each other greatly. Trent the dreamer, Daria the realist. I would like to see them get together after Daria graduates college."
This, right here, is why I love them. Daria needs to be with someone who could loosen her up and help her smile more. She needs a sweet, mellow guy like Trent to balance out her snarkiness and left-brainedness. On the flipside, Trent could use someone who could keep him grounded and help motivate him more. Their differences are what drive their chemistry.
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Post by Tim on Jul 10, 2020 23:30:06 GMT -5
Love the picture. You could seem together, when they got older.
Like the new avatar.
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Jul 11, 2020 13:50:51 GMT -5
Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 11, 2020 13:50:51 GMT -5
Thanks. I also made a Trent version: ------------------------------ I really don't like it when people dismiss Trent as a "useless slacker." A lot of his "slacker" tendencies were actually giant red flags for clinical depression: And, the fact that he always wore a black wristband on his left arm may have been a possible indication that he was self-harming. Certainly a little suspicious that he would want to keep one of his wrists always covered, right? We also know that he didn't have the healthiest home life, either. His parents were rarely around, and his mom was even implied to be outright abusive and neglectful. Yes, Jane presumably had the same upbringing and she seemed to turn out (relatively) okay, but individuals can come out of the same situations differently. Jane may not have the same genetic tendency towards mental illness as her older brother. It's also possible that Trent was treated more harshly than her. This is all speculation, and it was never confirmed in the series. Topics of mental illness, self-harm, and child abuse were probably far heavier than the show was ever equipped to deal with. But, it also shows that people who see more depth in Trent aren't wrong or invalid, and the show did him a major disservice by dismissing him as a "useless slacker" and assuming that he would never change or ever show any kind of character growth. The show also should've done far more to emphasize his positive attributes, like his kindness, creativity, and wit.
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Post by Tim on Jul 11, 2020 17:05:07 GMT -5
I wonder if any Fan Fiction writers took this and ran with it. It would make a good story in which Daria finds out about this and it there for her friend.
Perhaps the two get together in the course of this hypothetical story.
I've seen some comments in the vein that "Daria should get contacts, or have laser eye surgery. Those glasses make her look ugly"(I've also seen this slung as Velma of Scooby Doo).
Well, to those people I say that if glasses is all you see of someone, that says more about you than them. The glasses are part of who Daria is. I remember an episode in which tried contacts and didn't like them. As for laser eye surgery, that was a new thing when Daria was on, and was expensive. It was most likely beyond Daria and her family's means, even if she wanted it.
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Jul 11, 2020 19:26:40 GMT -5
Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 11, 2020 19:26:40 GMT -5
I wonder if any Fan Fiction writers took this and ran with it. It would make a good story in which Daria finds out about this and is there for her friend. Perhaps the two get together in the course of this hypothetical story. It's what I'm doing, but I need to actually finish a story, first. I'm far better at completing fanart than I am fanfic. I've seen some comments in the vein that "Daria should get contacts, or have laser eye surgery. Those glasses make her look ugly"(I've also seen this slung as Velma of Scooby Doo). Well, to those people I say that if glasses is all you see of someone, that says more about you than them. The glasses are part of who Daria is. I remember an episode in which tried contacts and didn't like them. As for laser eye surgery, that was a new thing when Daria was on, and was expensive. It was most likely beyond Daria and her family's means, even if she wanted it. I hate this trope so much. Daria can't help that she was born with less than perfect eyesight, and glasses are the cheapest, safest, and most comfortable way for her to deal with it. Why do people still get so offended when a female character doesn't look like a supermodel?
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Post by Tim on Jul 11, 2020 23:26:27 GMT -5
Of course, both of us can relate, since we both wear glasses (and you have mentioned that you even resemble Daria). And a few of our posters, such as Katherine, Jana, and Vanessa do as well.
That's is part of Daria's appeal, she is not the Prom Queen, she's much like us.
Why some people can't accept that, I have no idea.
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Jul 12, 2020 1:54:42 GMT -5
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 12, 2020 1:54:42 GMT -5
True it's what's on the inside that counts not the outside point in case with Daria then.
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Jul 12, 2020 11:51:07 GMT -5
Post by Tim on Jul 12, 2020 11:51:07 GMT -5
True it's what's on the inside that counts not the outside point in case with Daria then.
That's it exactly. There is more to Daria than just her looks.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 12, 2020 16:00:37 GMT -5
Of course, both of us can relate, since we both wear glasses (and you have mentioned that you even resemble Daria). And a few of our posters, such as Katherine, Jana, and Vanessa do as well.
That's is part of Daria's appeal, she is not the Prom Queen, she's much like us.
Why some people can't accept that, I have no idea.
It seems like this mindset has gotten even worse since the 90s. Even the beautiful, twentysomething teenage girls on shows like 90210, Buffy, and Dawson's Creek still bore some resemblance to actual teenage girls. Brenda Walsh wore baggy shirts, mom jeans, and Doc Martens. Willow Rosenberg wore oversized sweaters and overalls. Compare that to the glamorous high fashion the girls on more recent shows like Gossip Girl, PLL, and Riverdale wear. They literally look like supermodels. They're wearing stuff that shows more skin than any high school dress code would ever allow and is out of the price range of all but the richest 1% of teenage girls. It's like these shows literally think that nobody would watch them if they didn't have unrealistically beautiful girls for the horny dudes to drool over. This is another thing that ticks me off about how people treat Daria/Trent. They say it's "unrealistic" for the hot rocker guy to end up with the bookish girl in glasses, as if nobody could possibly find any beauty or value in a girl who looked like Daria.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Jul 12, 2020 16:22:16 GMT -5
Absolutely, I work in schools and no kid wears designer clothes to school. Even in middle or high school, the girls generally wear jeans, t-shirts, denim skirts and sweaters, mostly from places like The Gap or Forever 21. Plus very few girls are all glammed up with makeup, long nails, or fancy hairdos, especially since skimpy designer clothes, very long nails and elaborate hairdos violate dress codes, I wonder if the writers of these shows know anyone in high school, that isn’t realistic. And thanks for the shoutout, my fellow four-eyed people 😊
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