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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 22, 2020 11:12:59 GMT -5
This is why I’m glad I don’t have cable, this Daria remake does sound like a cynical cash grab in order to look “woke”. I barely remember the show and most younger people wouldn’t have much of an idea about the original Daria, so I’m not sure what the target demographic is supposed to be. It’s going to flop, there’s no point for this show except to look woke. Meanwhile, at MTV... White Male Executive #1: Dammit, ratings for Jersey Shore and Teen Mom are down! Nobody's watching our trashy reality shows anymore! How can we bring the kids back? What do they care about? White Male Executive #2: Uhhh, I think 90s nostalgia's big, right? White Male Executive #1: Yeah, good one! Let's bring back an old 90s show! Nostalgia-driven reboots are all the rage right now! White Male Executive #2: And, uhhh, the kids are really into this "Black Lives Matter" thing, too. White Male Executive #1: Oh... I've got it! Let's bring back that Jodie-centered Daria reboot/spinoff idea from 2018 that we immediately forgot about! Yeah, that'll bring in the Black Lives Matter audience! And, it's got 90s nostalgia vibes, too! White Male Executive #2: You're brilliant! I'm going to call Tracee Ellis Ross right away! She's hip and down with the kids, right? And, shes colore-- er, Black. White Male Executive #1: Hey, we say "African-American" in this office!
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Post by Tim on Jun 22, 2020 11:55:21 GMT -5
You know, Betty, that conversation is probably exactly what happened.
And these same morons will be scratching their heads when this thing tanks.
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Jun 22, 2020 13:06:08 GMT -5
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 22, 2020 13:06:08 GMT -5
I also have to ask -- Did Daria ever have that large of a Black audience to begin with?
Sure, some might try to turn this around and point out that Daria itself was a spinoff of Beavis & Butthead. But, there's two big differences there. First of all, B&B had an unexpectedly large number of female fans, so a female-centric spinoff made sense. And, secondly (of course), B&B was actually still on the air when Daria was greenlit.
But, I'm not sure if Daria was ever as popular with Black viewers as B&B was popular with female viewers. The only two Black characters on the show (Jodie and Mack) were minor side characters. And, the show's whole aesthetic and vibe was heavily influenced by grunge and alternative rock, genres that never had that many Black fans. Daria herself represented a very specific kind of "moody alterna-girl" trope that I'm not sure was all that relatable to the average Black girl in the 90s.
If "going for the Black audience" is what MTV wants to do, a Daria spinoff seems like a very odd way of doing that. How many Black people even have nostalgia for that show? What would make a Daria spinoff more attractive to them than an all-new show starring Black characters?
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Post by Tim on Jun 22, 2020 18:00:18 GMT -5
That's a very good question. One that the morons in charge of MTV should be asking.
However, it seems that they aren't. They want to cash-in on the current political situation, reality be damned.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 22, 2020 18:55:39 GMT -5
That's a very good question. One that the morons in charge of MTV should be asking.
However, it seems that they aren't. They want to cash-in on the current political situation, reality be damned.
As I've been saying, MTV just want to bring back Daria at any cost and is using "wokeness" as a cover for their money-grubbing motivations. The Jodie Show was first tossed around back in 2018 (likely in response to #MeToo), and it quietly died without a peep. Then, the George Floyd protests happen and #BlackLivesMatter starts trending again, and suddenly, The Jodie Show resurfaces from its two-year stay in File 13. They know they can't get away with just a straight reboot or revival anymore, so they're going to attach a Black lead to the series and pretend they're doing a grand, noble service for diversity on TV. And, in turn, they effectively shut down criticism because people who would've otherwise torn right into a moneygrubbing reboot now have to walk on eggshells and make sure they don't come off as racist. This was written about the Buffy reboot/revival, but it applies just as much to this show:This isn't real representation. It's Black girls getting the nostalgic table scraps of shows that starred white girls. We're still only seeing the ideas of white producers and writers, just slightly reimagined.
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Post by Tim on Jun 22, 2020 23:20:16 GMT -5
Daria was a show for its time, the 90's. The 90's are now more than twenty years gone, leave Daria there.
The failure of the Beavis and Butthead revival showed that 90's shows are better left alone.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 23, 2020 0:13:45 GMT -5
Daria was a show for its time, the 90's. The 90's are now more than twenty years gone, leave Daria there. The failure of the Beavis and Butthead revival showed that 90's shows are better left alone.
You could honestly say the same thing about MTV itself. *whistling*
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Post by Tim on Jun 23, 2020 11:06:22 GMT -5
As you said, the only way MTV can stay relevant is to put s**t like the Jersey Shore on.
Maybe MTV should be scrapped. Let it be remembered as the great station it once was, not the pathetic joke it is now.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 23, 2020 12:14:01 GMT -5
Thinking about it more, COVID-19 might actually be another reason The Jodie Show is being revived from developmental hell. The pandemic has done a number on reality TV, especially the kinds of shows that rely on Who Slept With Who drama and young dumbasses doing stupid things. Aka, MTV's bread and butter since 2000. Very tough to film those kinds of shows in an era of social distancing, and viewers are also less interested in them. The antics of Snooki & Friends just feel trivial and irrelevant when an even worse reality show is currently playing out in the White House. With MTV's reality show gravy train potentially derailed, they may be trying to find a new one in animation. Since cartoons don't require live-action actors (or reality stars) to be onscreen together, they are mostly COVID-proof. They can be produced entirely while social distancing. However, if MTV wants to shift away from reality shows to animation, it has to happen with NEW content, not reboots and revivals of shows that last aired 20 years ago. Audiences want new things, not the same-old.
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Post by ladyfiaran22 on Jun 23, 2020 12:25:19 GMT -5
Maybe that is the silver lining, it’ll kill off dumbass reality shows. Maybe networks will be forced to make proper shows with a plot instead of reality garbage, because of social distancing. Maybe the reboot will get an initial bump in ratings out of curiosity but if the show sucks, it’ll just crater really bad and MTV execs will have egg on their faces. This makes me glad I no longer watch network TV, I just watch my DVD collection and stream some Netflix. I also stream films via Hoopla, all you need is a library card in the US to access Ebooks, films, audiobooks and music: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoopla_(digital_media_service)
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 23, 2020 15:35:58 GMT -5
Maybe that is the silver lining, it’ll kill off dumbass reality shows. Maybe networks will be forced to make proper shows with a plot instead of reality garbage, because of social distancing. Maybe the reboot will get an initial bump in ratings out of curiosity but if the show sucks, it’ll just crater really bad and MTV execs will have egg on their faces. That's exactly what I think will happen. Lots of old fans will tune in out of curiosity (especially if Daria and the other main characters have guest appearances), they'll lose interest after only 2 or 3 episodes, and the ratings will crash. That's exactly what happened with the 2011 B&B revival, and that show had far more going for it than this one does. Personally, I'm not even going to watch it out of curiosity. I'm not interested in Jodie at all, and there's no way this show can do Daria and the Lane siblings right. The people who wrote the original show openly hated the Lane siblings (especially Trent) and fans shipping Daria/Trent, and they even seemed to hate the title character herself by the last two seasons. I see no reason to expect any different than that from this spinoff, especially since they're going out of their way to elevate this background character over the three stars. No thanks to the same toxicity that killed the show's last two seasons. (At this point, I'm half-expecting Tom to be a major co-star just to give Jane and Trent that extra f**k you.)
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Post by Tim on Jun 23, 2020 17:06:01 GMT -5
MTV doesn't seem to realize that fandom has moved on. I mean what worked 25 years ago will not work now, because the audience is not the same people.
It would be like bringing back Wayne's World. While the nostalgia factor would be there, younger people will not be interested in two 50 + year old men acting like teenagers.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jun 23, 2020 18:05:40 GMT -5
Found this bit from an old Mike Judge interview interesting: All I can say is that this explains A LOT. MTV basically took Mike Judge's character and spun her off completely behind his back. He never got to have any input, and it sounds like he never even got paid royalties for the character. Talk about a major f-you to the man whose show basically carried MTV's ass in the mid 90s. And, Judge was right to have reservations about Daria's writers, given how the last two seasons went down. If anything, he's being far too kind to showrunner Glenn Eichler, the man who openly bashed and insulted his show's own fans (most of whom were TEENAGE GIRLS) for having the nerve to like a ship that he didn't approve of (Daria/Trent). No, a showrunner shouldn't incessantly pander to fans, either, but effectively telling your show's fans to go f**k off, especially if they're mostly underage, is completely inappropriate. It sounds more and more like Eichler & Co. were mainly hired based on their ability to do MTV's bidding and little else. I love Daria to pieces, but Beavis & Butthead was completely and totally the better-run show. B&B was always top-notch and true to itself from beginning to end, and if anything, the quality actually improved as the show went on. It also translated flawlessly to the big screen, and even the 2011 revival was far better than it ever should've been. B&B is clearly Mike Judge's baby, and he will never let the show stray from what made it special and iconic in the first place. I wish Daria had gotten to have thoughtful writers behind the wheel, too. I can only imagine how the show might've turned out had Mike Judge been in charge like he always should've been. Daria badly needed a showrunner who actually cared about the show, loved its characters, and treated its fans with respect.
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Post by Trinity on Jun 24, 2020 6:00:52 GMT -5
Here we go again, same old, same old with Hollywood. It's so bad for diversity and people of colour, if they continue to use popular franchises for diversity and slap a label on it. I'm just so over this same old crap. People of colour deserve better, and something original. Seriously. I'd love to see a NEW show inspired by Daria that has a Black lead. And, I bet a lot of other people would as well. Plus, a new show actually has a chance with the teen/20-something audience, while a reboot/spinoff has no audience besides 30/40-somethings who grew up with the original. Me too, This is what they should be doing, and what the Charmed reboot should have been. I'm so annoyed.
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Post by Tim on Jun 24, 2020 23:32:21 GMT -5
So Mike Judge came up with Daria, and then MTV just stole it right out from under him!?
How'd that happen!? Didn't he have a copyright?
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