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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 12, 2020 16:36:39 GMT -5
Absolutely, I work in schools and no kid wears designer clothes to school. Even in middle or high school, the girls generally wear jeans, t-shirts, denim skirts and sweaters, mostly from places like The Gap or Forever 21. Plus very few girls are all glammed up with makeup, long nails, or fancy hairdos, especially since skimpy designer clothes, very long nails and elaborate hairdos violate dress codes, I wonder if the writers of these shows know anyone in high school, that isn’t realistic. And thanks for the shoutout, my fellow four-eyed people 😊 I would imagine most of the people calling the shots on these shows are middle-aged execs who were wealthy enough to either be homeschooled by a private tutor or go to an expensive private school. And, I would also imagine that a lot of those middle-aged execs are men who have no concept of high school dress codes (which disproportionately affect girls) and only know about what teen girls look like from fashion magazines and softcore porn.
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Post by Tim on Jul 12, 2020 17:15:18 GMT -5
Shows what a decent person Trent is. He can see what a great person Daria is, even if she doesn't look like a Vogue supermodel.
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Daria
Jul 13, 2020 0:21:14 GMT -5
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 13, 2020 0:21:14 GMT -5
Shows what a decent person Trent is. He can see what a great person Daria is, even if she doesn't look like a Vogue supermodel. His idea of giving her a "makeover" was getting her belly button pierced. And, he was impressed by how smart she was for a high schooler:
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Post by Tim on Jul 13, 2020 11:31:47 GMT -5
Aw, he made her blush.
Why didn't the writers like these two together? The chemistry was clearly there.
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Daria
Jul 13, 2020 13:19:34 GMT -5
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 13, 2020 13:19:34 GMT -5
You can actually watch another scene from that episode right here. The sound of Trent's voice will melt your heart. Aw, he made her blush. Why didn't the writers like these two together? The chemistry was clearly there.
Beats me. As I've said before, it feels like Glenn Eichler started hating the main character and the show's fans after a few seasons. Remember that he was never more than the guy MTV brought on to run the show (after they went behind Mike Judge's back). He neither created Daria or the show itself. It's possible that Eichler never liked Beavis & Butthead and resented writing for a show that was a spinoff of it. That would certainly explain why the last two seasons seemed to go out of their way to tear Daria down (aka. the character who originated from B&B) and shift the show away from comedy to drama. I can also see why Trent's character and Daria/Trent would be the biggest casualty of this shift, as Trent and Daria's crush on him were a driving theme of the early seasons. Trent also kept the show more directly tied to music (since he played in a garage band), which in turn, helped the show more truly feel like a B&B spinoff. (And, writing that now has me imagining a scenario where Daria takes Trent back to her old hometown and they run into those two idiots. How would they handle meeting " Diarrhea's" boyfriend, huh-uh? )
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Post by Tim on Jul 13, 2020 18:22:49 GMT -5
The comparisons to Kernus are spot on. A network stooge is brought in and proceeds to ruin everything that the fans liked about the show.
A Fan Fiction waiting to happen.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 13, 2020 20:11:20 GMT -5
Butthead: Huh, huh. Look, Beavis, it's Diarrhea! Huh, huh. Beavis: Heh, heh. And, check it out, she has a boyfriend! Heh, heh. Butthead: Huh, huh. Does that mean she's, like, doin' it? Huh, huh. B&B Together: Diarrhea, cha-cha-cha! Diarrhea, cha-cha-cha! Daria: *embarrassed* Ugh. Why do I do this to myself? Trent: Hey, aren't they those two guys you told me about from Highland? Beaver and uh, Buffman? Butthead: Huh, huh. Hey, Diarrhea. And, uh, Mr. Diarrhea. Huh, huh. Daria: *sigh* Nice to see you two again. Trent: I'm Trent. But, Mr. Diarrhea works fine, too. Butthead: Huh, huh. I'm Butthead. Huh, huh. Beavis: Heh, heh. And, I'm Beavis. Heh, heh. Butthead: Huh, huh. We were, like, her first boyfriends. Huh, huh. Daria: Only in your dreams. Beavis: Heh, heh. Your tattoos are cool. Where'd you get them? Heh, heh. Trent: Oh, they're Maori. I copied them out of a magazine when I was 19. Ha, ha. Butthead: Huh, huh. You said whore. Huh, huh. Daria: Like talking to a brick wall of stupidity. Butthead: Huh, huh. So, are you two, like, doin' it? Huh, huh. Beavis: Heh, heh. Did you, like, crap your cherry, or something? Heh, heh. Daria: I'd rather not try to explain something you two have no experience with. Butthead: Huh, huh. So, uh, if we move to that Lawndale place, will we, uh, score, too? Huh, huh. Beavis: Heh, heh. Yeah! Whores with tattoos! Boi-oi-oi-ing! Heh, heh. Daria: And, I will finally have an excuse to leave that exurban hell. Trent: Are you two high on something?
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Post by Tim on Jul 14, 2020 23:30:05 GMT -5
Love the look on Daria and Trent's faces.
You can just see them thinking "Okay, why are were hanging around with these two idiots?"
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Daria
Jul 15, 2020 0:55:20 GMT -5
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 15, 2020 0:55:20 GMT -5
Love the look on Daria and Trent's faces.
You can just see them thinking "Okay, why are were hanging around with these two idiots?" I think Daria herself was constantly asking that question back when she lived in Highland. Sadly, she had no real friends before she met the Lane siblings. Here's Daria's very first appearance ever -- The B&B episode titled "Scientific Stuff." She first met the idiots by being forced to bail them out in a science project.
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Post by Tim on Jul 15, 2020 12:17:10 GMT -5
Daria was lucky when Trent came into her life. He really helped her, IMO.
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Jul 15, 2020 16:19:07 GMT -5
Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 15, 2020 16:19:07 GMT -5
Daria was lucky when Trent came into her life. He really helped her, IMO. Well, both him and Jane. The Daria/Jane friendship was the bigger story in the show, after all, as much as I wish we had gotten more Daria/Trent. (For the record, I like Daria's friendship with Jane. They have a nice, sisterly relationship, which is especially good given the poor relationship Daria has with her actual sister, Quinn. But, I hate the idea of slashing them together, as an increasing number of fans seem to want to do. I don't think Daria and Jane would work nearly as well as a romantic couple, and I hate that I can't say this in many circles without being seen as "homophobic." I'm not anti-gay. I'm anti-Daria/anyone-that-isn't-Trent.) Get a load of this cringey old article about the show.You can just smell the marketing-speak emanating from these people. MTV and Eichler patted themselves on the back for creating a show that catered to the "disenfranchised teen-age girl" and created a new "spokesperson for MTV," only to turn around and shit all over the character and her fans just a year or two later. I guess MTV no longer had any use for Daria once the era of TRL and Britney Spears arrived in full force, while Eichler started tuning out when the fans started doing things he didn't personally approve of (like ship Daria/Trent). Glenn Eichler and Susie Lewis Lynn, the co-creators of "Daria," decided to pluck Daria from anonymous cartoon girlhood and spin off a series based on the foibles and fragility of an eccentric teen-age girl in middle America after viewers who saw her on "Beavis and Butt-head" called in with praise. -- Also, nice job covering up the fact that the show was stolen from Mike Judge. And, pretty shitty to cite King of the Hill as a show that's "following MTV," when it was literally created by the exact same man who created Beavis & Butthead (and basically got driven off the network).
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Post by Tim on Jul 15, 2020 17:02:06 GMT -5
It must hurt Daria fans that so much s**t happened behind the scenes.
Daria became a good show, at least in its early years, in spite of Eichler, not because of him.
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Jul 15, 2020 22:32:38 GMT -5
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 15, 2020 22:32:38 GMT -5
This early review of the show from the LA Times was lukewarm.Interesting that their biggest mark against the show is Mike Judge's lack of involvement. Unfortunately, they would end up being proven horribly right in S4-5. Another old article from the Chicago Tribune.The end of this article actually hints at the underlying cynical view Eichler had of Daria -- "It's not until you get older and you have some perspective do you realize that you allowed yourself to be terrorized and oppressed by the popular clique. If you had more self-confidence, you could have found friends and had a less horrible experience." Not hard to see how this ended up morphing into the destruction of her character in the last two seasons, mostly through Eichler's own self-insert, Tom Sloane. (Yes, I know it seems like I keep bitching about S4-5, but I can't help it. Those seasons were horrible. They ruined an initially very good show. They make so much of what was written in these old articles ring flat and hollow in hindsight.)
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Post by Tim on Jul 15, 2020 23:20:17 GMT -5
That's okay, Betty, bitch away. I know what it's like to see a franchise I loved destroyed (Star Trek, Doctor Who).
You're in good company.
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Post by BettyNewbie on Jul 16, 2020 13:05:57 GMT -5
Time for another round of Daria, Trent, and the two idiots. Butthead: Huh, huh. So, you're, like, uh, in a band? Whoa, cool. Huh, huh. Trent: Um, yeah. I'm the frontman for a garage band. Butthead: Huh, huh. We're , like, in a band, too, dude. Huh, huh. B&B Together: *Start doing air guitar and chanting "duuuuh-duuh-dun-dun-dun-uh."*Daria: *shakes head* This isn't going to end well. Trent: We've been calling ourselves Mystik Spiral, but I've been thinking of changing the name. Butthead: Huh huh. You said spiral. Huh, huh. Beavis: Heh, heh. Spiral. Boi-oi-oi-ing! Heh, heh. Butthead: Huh, huh. I have a mystic spiral in my pants. Huh, huh. Daria: More information than any of us want. Trent: I've been leaning towards changing it to "Something Something Explosion," but I can't think of what to replace the two somethings with. Beavis: Heh, heh. Explosions are cool! Fire! Fire! Fire!Butthead: Huh, huh. You could, like, uh, call your band Butt Explosion. Huh, huh. That'd be cool. Huh, huh. Trent: *raises eyebrow* And... why? Butthead: Huh, huh. Because, an explosion is about to come out of my butt. *Squints and rips a loud fart.*Beavis: Heh, heh. That was cool, Butthead! Heh, heh. Heh, heh. Heh, heh. Butthead: Huh, huh. I think I dropped a load. Huh, huh. Huh, huh. Huh, huh. B&B Together: *Start laughing uncontrollably, while Daria and Trent cover their noses.* Trent: Ugh... What did you eat, man? Smells like something died in your stomach. Daria: That's what a diet of nothing but Burger World and convenience store nachos will do to you.
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