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Post by Katie on Dec 2, 2020 21:03:37 GMT -5
Yeah that would be fun. While like we did with CCDOW, the fun if rewriting, and also skipping/cutting out episodes and subbing them in with some from other/later seasons. You can even turn the pilot into a two-part/two-hour episode, and expand things. Legends of Tomorrow, got a two-part pilot. And of course Buffy did too. It could be interesting to do that, and maybe expand on the flashback opening with Mary's death, and showing John meeting Missouri, Ellen and Bobby. I saw the suggestion of Charlie being one of Sam's college friends, maybe show her with Sam and Jessica in the pilot, and then bring her back in that Shape Shifter episode, where an old college friend of Sam's calls him for help or whoever that girl was replace it with Charlie. That way you can ease her into the story on/off. Exactly, we did that with CCDOW. We don't have to stick to the rules network does, if you want a two-part pilot, we can.
I like that, expanding the flashbacks, or maybe you can save all of that for a flashback episode later in the season.
I really like that suggestion on how to introduce and slowly keep using her on/off. Oh and in the Skin canon episode, Sam received an email from Becky, a friend in Stanford, whose brother Zach has been arrested for the murder of his girlfriend. Keen to help them out, Sam convinces Dean that they should travel to St. Louis.
Yes can easily change that into Charlie, and I don't think Charlie ever had a brother, we sure can have her have one. It could even be Jo (she and Charlie could have been friends) who knew Charlie, maybe it's Charlie who is arrested for the murder of her girlfriend.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Dec 2, 2020 21:06:28 GMT -5
You can even turn the pilot into a two-part/two-hour episode, and expand things. Legends of Tomorrow, got a two-part pilot. And of course Buffy did too. It could be interesting to do that, and maybe expand on the flashback opening with Mary's death, and showing John meeting Missouri, Ellen and Bobby. I saw the suggestion of Charlie being one of Sam's college friends, maybe show her with Sam and Jessica in the pilot, and then bring her back in that Shape Shifter episode, where an old college friend of Sam's calls him for help or whoever that girl was replace it with Charlie. That way you can ease her into the story on/off. Exactly, we did that with CCDOW. We don't have to stick to the rules network does, if you want a two-part pilot, we can.
I like that, expanding the flashbacks, or maybe you can save all of that for a flashback episode later in the season.
I really like that suggestion on how to introduce and slowly keep using her on/off. Oh and in the Skin canon episode, Sam received an email from Becky, a friend in Stanford, whose brother Zach has been arrested for the murder of his girlfriend. Keen to help them out, Sam convinces Dean that they should travel to St. Louis.
Yes can easily change that into Charlie, and I don't think Charlie ever had a brother, we sure can have her have one. It could even be Jo (she and Charlie could have been friends) who knew Charlie, maybe it's Charlie who is arrested for the murder of her girlfriend.
That would be one cool flashback episode to do. Oh yes, I thought that was what that episode was about. Either of those ideas will work. Could just be Jo who calls Sam and Dean for help, and her friend Charlie is arrested for murdering her girlfriend. But, I do like her being someone Sam knew in college who wants his help.
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Post by Katie on Dec 2, 2020 21:35:40 GMT -5
Another thing, who said Mary has to be the one to die, imagine if it was John. I always felt Mary would go back to hunting when Sam and Dean got older, I feel like she may have gone back into it, if John died, but I think she'd not want Sam and Dean doing hunting, as we saw on the show when she was resurrected she said she never wanted this for them.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Dec 2, 2020 21:38:06 GMT -5
Another thing, who said Mary has to be the one to die, imagine if it was John. I always felt Mary would go back to hunting when Sam and Dean got older, I feel like she may have gone back into it, if John died, but I think she'd not want Sam and Dean doing hunting, as we saw on the show when she was resurrected she said she never wanted this for them. I don't think she'd have wanted that, but I do think if it was John who was burned, she'd have gone back into hunting. I've seen some things on the net, where the writers of SPN said they had many different drafts/ideas for the pilot. One both John and Mary were killed, and Sam and Dean raised by their aunt and uncle, and were not raised as hunters. Another where John died at the end of the pilot not Jessica, and another where Jessica turned out to be a demon to get close to Sam, and be a recurring villain.
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Post by Katie on Dec 2, 2020 21:39:06 GMT -5
Another thing, who said Mary has to be the one to die, imagine if it was John. I always felt Mary would go back to hunting when Sam and Dean got older, I feel like she may have gone back into it, if John died, but I think she'd not want Sam and Dean doing hunting, as we saw on the show when she was resurrected she said she never wanted this for them. I don't think she'd have wanted that, but I do think if it was John who was burned, she'd have gone back into hunting. I've seen some things on the net, where the writers of SPN said they had many different drafts/ideas for the pilot. One both John and Mary were killed, and Sam and Dean raised by their aunt and uncle, and were not raised as hunters. Another where John died at the end of the pilot not Jessica, and another where Jessica turned out to be a demon to get close to Sam, and be a recurring villain. I've heard of those ideas, I think a script leaked online with some of those original drafts of the pilot.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Dec 2, 2020 21:39:45 GMT -5
I don't think she'd have wanted that, but I do think if it was John who was burned, she'd have gone back into hunting. I've seen some things on the net, where the writers of SPN said they had many different drafts/ideas for the pilot. One both John and Mary were killed, and Sam and Dean raised by their aunt and uncle, and were not raised as hunters. Another where John died at the end of the pilot not Jessica, and another where Jessica turned out to be a demon to get close to Sam, and be a recurring villain. I've heard of those ideas, I think a script leaked online with some of those original drafts of the pilot.
We can do whatever we want in SDOW for ours. I still think I like Jessica dying what gets Sam back into hunting.
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Post by Katie on Dec 2, 2020 21:40:00 GMT -5
I've heard of those ideas, I think a script leaked online with some of those original drafts of the pilot.
We can do whatever we want in SDOW for ours. I still think I like Jessica dying what gets Sam back into hunting. Me too.
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Post by Trinity on Dec 2, 2020 22:29:41 GMT -5
I love your ideas Kyle and the ways of introducing the later season supporting characters into the show and not killing them off every episode also subbing filler episodes with them of course. I absolutely love your ideas Kyle. Lots of good ways of bringing the supporting cast in earlier. Me too. No way Charlie dies. Me too. If I did it I'd have it be a five season series, but I'd include all the supporting characters from later seasons. Actually you could just grab all the standalones from S6-S15, and substitute them for episodes in 1-5. I fully agree with you, with the female characters not being killed off every episode, and giving them backstory. If we did SDOW, I think we could make it a more ensemble series, than how the show started with Sam and Dean. Yes, they were the stars and the core heart of SPN, but if we stuck to the original format, It wouldn't be too similar, and get boring sticking to the S1 format with just Sam and Dean. I think If we did it, maybe pair Ellen and Bobby together and being married like in the alternate timeline, that Ellen and Bobby married after their partners died, so Bobby is part of the Roadhouse and Jo's step father. And Ellen and Jo have a bigger role in the series. Obviously bringing in Charlie earlier. Maybe Charlie is Sam's age and went to college with him and knew Jessica, she could even be one of his old college roommates who called him for help like in Skin with the Shape shifter and his old college friend, that is a fun way to introduce her into the story. In the first season, we had an episode called the Benders, with a female sheriff who's brother was killed, and she was based in Minnesota, which is where Donna lives. You can adjust the episode and turn her into Donna or even let that episode be adapted so Jody's husband and son were killed by the Benders. Do more with John in the first season tracking down the Yellow Eyed Demon, maybe he even hunts with other hunters like Rufus. We got so many hunters in S1 mentioned and they ended up dead near the end of Season 1. Since Rowena is a witch, and we got backstory in S3 that Ruby was a witch in her past before she became a demon, maybe she could be introduced in that episode in the coven. And the Wayward Sisters can easily be brought in, just adapt their standalone episodes into S1-S5 episodes, and cut/replace ones you didn't like. WOW! Kyle, this are amazing. Perfect. I have another suggestion, you could combine Meg and Ruby into one character. Meg can fool Sam playing up she is Ruby the demon (when really Meg in a new body), when in fact she is really Meg, and reveals who she is when Lucifer is free, she doesn't get killed like Ruby, and escapes. One thing that I would make sure is that Charlie is NOT killed off. I'd leave her in Oz with Dorothy. Couldn't agree more. I'd leave her in Oz with Dorothy, if she we wanted to park/end the character. And we can give the Wayward Sisters their series.
That would be nice too.
Wonderful idea. Thanks guys, glad you liked my ideas.
I really love all your ideas too.
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Post by Trinity on Dec 2, 2020 22:30:26 GMT -5
Me too. I think that would work really well.
And when John goes missing, if you stick to how it started, you can introduce Bobby, Ellen, Jo and Ash already in the first or second episode of season 1, when Ellen calls John on a case, and they get her call and come to the Roadhouse. Sam wouldn't have seen the roadhouse crew since he left for college, but maybe Dean had, or maybe John and the Roadhouse had a falling out like the show did with John and Bobby. Agree with you too with using the Roahouse. I also like introducing them in the first or second episode.
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Post by Trinity on Dec 2, 2020 22:35:17 GMT -5
Maybe we can adapt some ideas from the Supernatural Anime too, they did lots of differences and used Yellow-Eyed Demon, John, and Missouri more than the show did in season 1. With even showing John on the road hunting during season 1 episodes. I love this idea, Dark Avenger. Perfect set-up. I like this. Glad you did, since I don't think rewriting S1 to be Sam/Dean centric with them just hunting on their own will work or be as fun, we already saw that in season 1, otherwise, why rewrite. But, you can still have some episodes that are pretty Sam-Dean centric without the supporting cast here and there. I love the suggestion to make it a bit more of an ensemble series from the start, Sam and Dean can be the stars still, but it would be more Buffy or The Flash etc. with a supporting cast. Glad you did, since I don't think rewriting S1 to be Sam/Dean centric with them just hunting on their own will work or be as fun, we already saw that in season 1, otherwise, why rewrite. But, you can still have some episodes that are pretty Sam-Dean centric without the supporting cast here and there. I love the suggestion to make it a bit more of an ensemble series from the start, Sam and Dean can be the stars still, but it would be more Buffy or The Flash etc. with a supporting cast. Yeah that would be fun. While like we did with CCDOW, the fun if rewriting, and also skipping/cutting out episodes and subbing them in with some from other/later seasons. I really think that would be perfect. Yeah that would be fun. While like we did with CCDOW, the fun if rewriting, and also skipping/cutting out episodes and subbing them in with some from other/later seasons. You can even turn the pilot into a two-part/two-hour episode, and expand things. Legends of Tomorrow, got a two-part pilot. And of course Buffy did too. It could be interesting to do that, and maybe expand on the flashback opening with Mary's death, and showing John meeting Missouri, Ellen and Bobby. I saw the suggestion of Charlie being one of Sam's college friends, maybe show her with Sam and Jessica in the pilot, and then bring her back in that Shape Shifter episode, where an old college friend of Sam's calls him for help or whoever that girl was replace it with Charlie. That way you can ease her into the story on/off. Yeah, I an see us doing that, in fact I actually started writing a press release for the pilot, and did expand the opening flashbacks.
I really love Charlie being a friend, that I included her in the pilot, as a friend of Sams, who like you said, we'd meet in the episode Skin when she calls Sam for help.
Exactly, we did that with CCDOW. We don't have to stick to the rules network does, if you want a two-part pilot, we can.
I like that, expanding the flashbacks, or maybe you can save all of that for a flashback episode later in the season.
I really like that suggestion on how to introduce and slowly keep using her on/off. Oh and in the Skin canon episode, Sam received an email from Becky, a friend in Stanford, whose brother Zach has been arrested for the murder of his girlfriend. Keen to help them out, Sam convinces Dean that they should travel to St. Louis.
Yes can easily change that into Charlie, and I don't think Charlie ever had a brother, we sure can have her have one. It could even be Jo (she and Charlie could have been friends) who knew Charlie, maybe it's Charlie who is arrested for the murder of her girlfriend.
That would be one cool flashback episode to do. Oh yes, I thought that was what that episode was about. Either of those ideas will work. Could just be Jo who calls Sam and Dean for help, and her friend Charlie is arrested for murdering her girlfriend. But, I do like her being someone Sam knew in college who wants his help. It would be a fun flashback episode.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Dec 2, 2020 22:37:07 GMT -5
I'd love to see your press release of the first episode, Kyle. Maybe most of us here can write our own episodes, be added into SDOW and the first season, and or do what the Cafe does, where many write different episodes and make it a GTTS group project. We can brainstorm ideas, or re-watch the episodes for inspiration.
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Post by Tim on Dec 3, 2020 17:37:23 GMT -5
As you can all see, I've given SDOW it's own sub-forum.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Dec 4, 2020 1:13:00 GMT -5
I saw that, thanks heaps. Will go very nicely for SDOW.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Dec 4, 2020 5:51:29 GMT -5
Thanks Tim. It'll be great seeing what we come up with obviously.
In terms of other supporting characters perhaps Adam could be introduced season 1 whether via flashbacks as a young boy or teenager when John visited or as an adult when he and his mom are gonna be Ghoul victims which John gets wind off and goes off to help telling Sam and Dean not to come giving them a hunt as a distraction that they ignore and secretly follow John him having a go when he finds out what they've done having no choice but to introduce each other which doesn't go well at the start.
Also I wouldn't mind seeing John's hunting friends Caleb and Pastor Jim or anyone else a couple of times before Meg killed them either at the Roadhouse or hunting with John separately talking about past hunts and how they each met which for Caleb could be him being an army vet like John say doing a tour or two in Afgan depending his age which I'm not sure what it was in the series other than him frequenting the Roadhouse in the '90s according to Jo Harvelle's journal then whilst meeting Jim Murphy could've occured after Mary died with his church being in Lawrence although John didn't believe in religion till after the fire in Sam's nursery happened actually.
Jim could've been who taught John how to make holy water using a rosary blessing that via latin which he done during 'Salvation' then.
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Post by Jean on Dec 4, 2020 16:46:48 GMT -5
Some neat ideas. I agree, with using John's hunting friends Caleb and Pastor Jim or someone else a couple of times before Meg kills them. I especially love the idea, that Jim could've been who taught John how to make holy water using a rosary blessing, and perhaps Jim did meet John after Mary died, maybe Missouri is even the one to suggest he go visit him. Trinity , you set up a good backstory by showing a bit more with Missouri meeting John and helping them. I also like including Adam in season 1 in flashbacks or John visits them, and like your suggestions Melinda Halliwell for using him and maybe even meet Adam while John is alive. The episode Faith in season 1 dealt with a faith healer named Roy Le Grange healing people, perhaps Pastor Jim could be the one who is included in this particular episode to help Dean and Sam, maybe he even knows that healer.
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