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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:09:59 GMT -5
Many thanks to Melinda Halliwell for the suggestion: (note: Since Tim and Melinda Halliwell are admins they can and are free to edit my first post to add in more details or anything for our roadmap and brainstorming ideas. In-case I'm not here to do it.)I think it would be good to have a thread on a road map for SDOW so the main plots noted down in the discussion section can be brought over to that then. They can either be listed season by season or via something like a brainstorming chart so people know where we're heading towards giving them ideas to think about along the way or for anyone new who joins us or just wants to know what we're doing then so any bits they like can be followed and one's they don't not of course. SDOW ROADMAP AND BRAINSRTORMING CHART THREAD
I'm going to split each seasons roadmap and brainstorming chart into separate posts. As it might end up being too long with ideas for one post. Just to play it safe. Be easier to read this way.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:11:22 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 3
General Roadmap for season
*Lucifer's Rising being the end of SDOW Season 3. Since we're combining S3 with S4 as our third season. *It might mean Ruby's story only plays out in one season not two.
Time of My Side (to be written by Sunday ) Melinda Halliwell : I can see Lila wanting revenge for Gordon through continuing his work in building her own nest using hunters she gets on her side first like with the professor moving forward trying to free Lucifer. And the Winchesters will surely come up against her again which'll be the last time we see Lila.
Dark Avenger : Melinda Halliwell I love that. Her using hunters to get on her side first like the Professor did moving forward with trying to free Lucifer. Yeah next time they go up against her that'll be the last time we see Lila. I can see her getting revenge for Gordon continuing his work in building her own nest using hunters. That reminds me of the original plans for S3 I think because of the writers strike: eclipsemagazine.com/hollywood-insider/supernatural-creator-eric-kripke-answers-fan-questions-%E2%80%93-part-ii/5633 According to series creator Eric Kripke, Gordon was originally going to learn about the hunter Sam killed while possessed and use it to convince more hunters to turn against Sam. This was intended to be a story arc stretching over multiple episodes. Maybe Lila can do that before or course she's killed when they go up against her again. Perhaps when they do, they discover she had given the Colt to a demon like the Professor, Lilith or even Crowley himself like he had when he was introduced. Sunday : Great ideas Dark Avenger . I think you can have them go up against her in the episode Time on My Side. When Bobby's contact Rufus has tracked her. That's when Rufus was introduced in S3 when he found Bela's location. The same episode had Sam hunting down Doc Benton (played by Charmed's Billy Drago), a real-life doctor who, in 1816, abandoned his medical practice to follow his obsession with finding the key to eternal life by drugging people and stealing their vital organs. John has faced him twenty years ago. So fitting that John here being alive can wrap up that case. Maybe it's Sam and Dean going to find Lila to get the Colt back meeting Rufus who has a lead. While John works with Bobby to put Doc Benton down for good. Then when they discover Lila had already given the Colt to someone like The Professor or Crowley (although his name isn't mentioned just teased). That's when Sam and Dean kill her.
The Rapture
- Castiel and the backstory will Jimmy being important.
- Introducing Claire played by Kathryn Love Newton right away. Then leaving her MIA until possibly S6. After her father's departure, Claire's mother goesoff to find herself and left her in the care of her grandmother. Her grandmother died and Claire struggled in group homes as well as developing a rebellious nature and resentment to the angel who ruined her life.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:11:48 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 4 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
- The Apocalypse arc being spread across two seasons including S12's arcs with Lucifer and Jack. So that might make-up S4 & S5.
- Rowena not introduced but she'll be name-dropped if the story presents itself that she can. There's quite a number of episodes with witches in S3-S7.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:12:01 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 5 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
General Roadmap ideas
- Stick to the original story-arc that Eric had in mind ending with S5.
- The Lucifer impregnates a human that turns out to be Jack combined with S5's arc. Either in S4 or S5?
- A major death in the season like when Ellen and Jo died. But NOT BOTH. Either Ellen on her own, Ellen and Bobby or John dying.
- The 100th episode of S5 which be the eigth episode of SDOW (since we didn't need to worry about the writers strike cutting down the seasons episodes).
- Rowena not introduced but she'll be name-dropped if the story presents itself that she can. There's quite a number of episodes with witches in S3-S7.
I love your ideas, Kyle. Yes, we could incorporate our own version of the apocalypse and what happened in that and who's affected by it, etc. and who it's between also. Thanks, Katherine. I can see our version of the apocalypse being where characters like John and or Ellen die during, just so the seriousness of it will affect all. But, that can happen perhaps towards the end of the arc. But perhaps the episode like Abandon All Hope, is where someone like Ellen or John die. I'm thinking Ellen, but obviously not Jo, who we're keeping alive. I'd think Ellen could be hurt by the Hell Hound not Jo. Unless, its her and Bobby who make the sacrifice together. But I'm sure we'll make a serious decision on this, with what fits the story, and when we really want to kill those characters. It will have more impact though, since we've made them regulars with so much story, so it won't feel forced like when SPN often brings people back after a few years absence just to be killed off. We sure can. I also love setting up Wayward Sisters with the founding members. It will fit nicely, as we talked about them rescuing Sam and Dean from Purgatory, like when Dean went missing. Skip the whole arc of Sam dating that woman for a year. To the Winchesters being MIA for a year, and the Wayward Sisters picking up the slack until they can find a way to rescue them. Likely with help from Rowena perhaps. Maybe the end of the resulting apocalypse could be like you said Kyle either John or Ellen do die or she and Bobby at the same time with Team Free Will winning afterward but at the cost of Sam and Dean being sent to purgatory where they stay for a year until the Wayward Sisters who've been holding down the fort in their absence whilst trying to locate the boys do with Rowena's help and bring them back which could set up their backstory before the spin off instead of Sam and Dean being in that monster land with the big dinosaur foot and other Kaia of course.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:12:12 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 6 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
General Season 6 Ideas and Roadmap
- The Eve and Purgatory arc playing out.
- Rowena possibly being introduce AFTER S5 with Lucifer and the Apocalypse. Since we have Lucifer, Meg, Ruby and the Professor around. Might over-crowd the villains/frenemies. But, we can name-drop her before that. There's quite a number of episodes with witches in S3-S7. So it might be fun to name-drop her until we're ready to bring her in.
- Rowena was part of the Grand Coven. Which I believe was a council of witches who ruled and controlled the affairs of witches and guarded the lore. However, the Grand Coven and the witch community ended up being greatly weakened, after many years of attacks and witch hunts coupled with an organized effort by the Men of Letters. So she'd fit in nicely when we first introduce the MOL and Bunker. Maybe Rowena's just been in hiding all this time, showing herself for the first time in S6 or S7.
- Introduction of John's brother played by Bruce Campell who was orginally asked to play John. Him taking Samuel's place for a hunter Crowley wants to use for the location of Purgatory. If not, he'll be brought into a later season when the Men of Letters arc is used. Being a member of the British Men of Letters who lived there all these years while trying to learn more about his and John's missing father.
- Introdcing Wayward Sister "Alex" into the story during the episode of Alex Annie Alexis Ann.
Weekend at Bobby's episode
- Using the episode where Dean and Sam are supporting and Bobby's the focus.
- Instead of it called Weekend at Bobby's its called "Weekend at the Roadhouse". With the story focused completely on Jo, Jody, Rufus and Ash and Bobby (depending if he's alive still and didn't die with Ellen and or John during S5).
- Instead of Bobby who keeps running missing out on eating the pie the neighbour basked. It's Ash.
My Heart Will Go On Episode
- Playing out like the original with Ellen brought back due to the changes. Jo having to lose her Mom again and or Bobby (assuming he's alive still and didn't die with Ellen, then perhaps its BOTH of them brought back).
- Using the original idea for this episode that due to scheduling conflict the writers had considered bringing John back in the alternate reality episode "My Heart Will Go On" instead of Ellen Harvelle, but due to concerns that they would not be able to secure Morgan's return, they ultimately chose Ellen for the deceased character they would have (temporarily) return in the episode.
Wayward Sisters
I love those suggestions Melinda Halliwell and Trinity . They really can work for us. I can see us setting up the Wayward Sisters, since we'll introduce Claire in her first episode but unlike the show, we'll cast Kathryn Newton right away. Making her older. So perhaps sometime this season we'll grab Alex's first episode where she's adopted by Jody. It's been two years since her husband and son passed, because of the one year jump we had between 2 and 3. But, we can set up the backstory before the spin-off, which could still happen later on. Maybe for now, Kaia and Patience are not yet part of it. But we can certainly introduce Patience and her father as part of an episode focused on Missouri, since she isn't dying. She could teach Patience her gifts.
Your ideas are good as well Dark Avenger . In my head, I had Jody, Donna, Charlie, Jo, and Lisa form the Wayward Sisters after the apocalypse being the founding members then Alex, Claire, Kaia, and Patience join later living with Jody once that was established but those ladies can be introduced into the fold earlier if we decide that obviously.
Your ideas are good as well Dark Avenger . In my head, I had Jody, Donna, Charlie, Jo, and Lisa form the Wayward Sisters after the apocalypse being the founding members then Alex, Claire, Kaia, and Patience join later living with Jody once that was established but those ladies can be introduced into the fold earlier if we decide that obviously. Works for me. I can see that happening. Before Claire, Alex and Patience etc. are introduced.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:12:24 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 7 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
General Roadmap ideas
- S7 starting with Dean and Sam stuck in Purgatory for a year with the Wayward Sisters trying to rescue them.
- Story then might possibly move into the Cain and the Knights of Hell with Abandon and the Bunker which leads to the Men of Letters arc. We might just skip over S10/S11 with The Darkness/God end of the world plot-line.
- Rowena was part of the Grand Coven. Which I believe was a council of witches who ruled and controlled the affairs of witches and guarded the lore. However, the Grand Coven and the witch community ended up being greatly weakened, after many years of attacks and witch hunts coupled with an organized effort by the Men of Letters. So she'd fit in nicely when we first introduce the MOL and Bunker. Maybe Rowena's just been in hiding all this time, showing herself for the first time in S6 or S7.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:12:39 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 8 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
General Season 6 Ideas and Roadmap - Story might continue more with the the Cain and the Knights of Hell with Abandon and the Bunker with the Men of Letters arc. We might just skip over S10/S11 with The Darkness/God end of the world plot-line
- Introducing Claire brought back in after a bit of time passing where she'd been in group homes as well as developing a rebellious nature and resentment to the angel who ruined her life. She ends up finding her way to Jody's home.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:13:00 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 9 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
General S9 ideas and roadmap
- Charlie goes to Oz like the episode Slumber Party. To connect with Tim's season 10 opener "Return To Oz".
Celebrating the Life of Asa Fox
- Mary could've hunted a little on the side. Which she did do as seen in the episode during S12 where Mary was tying up loose ends when Dean was one saving Asa Fox.
- Even if Mary's not resurrected, That episode can still work if Asa reveals the hunter who set him on his path was Mary. She can still appear in a flashback only.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:13:44 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 10 and 11 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
(NOTE: Tim has one more episode left to write for it. So merged it with S11 ideas and Roadmap.)
General Roadmap for season
*Charlie reveals that she and Dorothy are married and stays in Oz for good. *Dean and Sam run into Missy Bender again, and learn about what has happened to her since When The Hunter Becomes The Hunted. The see that Mussy has turned her life around. *Jo Harvelle is now pregnant, the identity of her baby's father remains unknown.
*Dean and Sam meet Lisa Cook, former friend of Ellen Harvelle. Jo contacts Lisa and the two renew their ties. *Dean meets Angela Page, an FBI agent, who is interested in the supernatural. She becomes an ally. *Jody Mills asks Lisa, Angela and Missy to join the Wayward Sisters. They all agree to do so.
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:13:55 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 12 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:14:07 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 13 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
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Post by Dark Avenger on Jul 17, 2022 20:14:20 GMT -5
SDOW SEASON 14 and 15 ROADMAP AND IDEAS
General ideas for final seasons
- Doing just ONE apocalypse that happens in S4 & S5.
Series finale arc option 1
- Incorporate the Empty as the final baddie if you wanted without resorting to an Apocalypse with Chuck. Since the the Empty is mysterious enough. That don't bring in Chuck as the bad guy, and then bring back Lucifer and Michael in the Apocalypse.
- The series finale was self-contained. We can easily skip the last two seasons arcs. The Empty awakening the past villains (e.g monsters) because it got woken up, would work easier.
Series final arc option 2
- Have the British Men of Letters and American Men of Letters going at war over their differences in hunting styles. A global thing, without an Apocalypse. Make it about hunters at war. Leave Lucifer, Chuck/God and Angels out of it. Or the Alphas the first monsters of each species created by Eve banding together to wipe out the Men of Letters and hunters.
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Post by Trinity on Jul 18, 2022 4:21:55 GMT -5
Great job, Dark Avenger. Looks really good! I like that you divided it up into seasons. That makes it easier to read. And so we don't run out of space if its in one post.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Jul 18, 2022 4:30:14 GMT -5
I love what you did here Dark Avenger. This will be very good for either us or newbies to follow so both know where are going or will go obviously. Tv shows do these anyway when mapping out things although I wished that had happened with OG Charmed concerning lore which seemed to change every season going.
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Post by SpnFanJackie on Jul 18, 2022 4:32:23 GMT -5
Looks great. This is a good way to keep track of our ideas, roadmap, and direction. For anybody new who joins or reads. Also good for us to keep track, so we're not thumbing through all the pages to find something. Thanks, Melinda Halliwell for suggesting it, and Dark Avenger for putting it together.
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