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Post by Squad 51 on May 14, 2023 9:31:50 GMT -5
Being the last one is a continued series for us for many years by now. *sighs* It is the way it is.
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Post by Tim on May 14, 2023 23:32:23 GMT -5
When I saw her pic, I noted that Loreen didn't look Scandinavian. That's because her parents are from Morocco.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on May 15, 2023 4:03:20 GMT -5
Yes, Loreen has Morocco descent but was born in Stockholm Sweden.
La Zarra who represented France but originally came from Montreal has Morrocan heritage as well.
There's talk already of where Eurovision will be held in Sweden next year with either Stockholm, Malma, or Gothenburg touted because they have the venues for it already.
The third being the second largest city in Sweden is what people most want as it's never been held there before which I agree with.
Fandom is toxic over Loreen's win. Some cite that's because of the 50th anniversary ABBA won Eurovision so judges want that in Sweden or people want juries ridden or have less power overall say 60/40 public/jury.
They've said if juries stayed members should be current music professionals with college or uni degrees in backgrounds like vocal coaching or actual producing or singer/songwriting as these people would know what to look for in a song and be less biased themselves
Of course, had things been different with Cha, cha, cha winning the jury vote there would be no argument over who won naturally.
As I've said before juries are there for a reason I.e. to stop block voting and give good songs a fair chance of getting an alright result but then you can't please everyone especially concerning a fan favorite song if people become quite vocal about that then.
Those types of people frustrate me because they can't accept what's happened and move on which I can't be dealing with online myself.
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Post by Squad 51 on May 15, 2023 9:25:22 GMT -5
That's right. 2024 ABBA won the Contest (or Grand Prix) 50 years ago. Completely forgot that. Jesus! Poor coincidence then that the ESC will be held in Sweden then.
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Post by Tim on May 15, 2023 23:28:41 GMT -5
And I'm sure neo-Nazis are mad that a woman of African descent won.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on May 16, 2023 14:40:24 GMT -5
Not that she was African Tim but that their favorite country Finland didn't win.
Certain people will always find some excuse to blame another person instead of just accepting that artist won fair and square although I did think the jury points between her and second-place Israel were a bit big in terms of a gap then.
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Post by Squad 51 on May 16, 2023 17:39:14 GMT -5
Ah man, it's people's and jury's voting. The tastes differ all the time.
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Post by Tim on May 16, 2023 19:33:30 GMT -5
True dat.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on May 17, 2023 3:58:23 GMT -5
Well after 2020 the Finnish national final called UMK changed their voting system for how acts won and got represented for Eurovision as the previous year the jury winner won which people weren't happy with so they adopted a new approach of having the public vote be 75% and the jury 25% making the first matter more which has worked ever since and meant the countries sent better entries as a bonus obviously.
Fans have offered this suggestion as a possible idea for reforming the voting system at Eurovision as a whole so the juries stay and do their job but their opinions don't affect the overall winner which is determined by the public.
In terms of points, juries would only give 1-5 for their favorite countries instead of 1-12 so there isn't a huge gap at the end as with what occurred between Israel and Sweden.
Public voting would stay the same but have more say because people pay to vote then.
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Post by Squad 51 on May 17, 2023 8:36:00 GMT -5
The public vote should be in the forefront, not the jury's. Yet still, sometimes the voting surprises me as well.
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Post by Tim on May 17, 2023 11:20:23 GMT -5
I guess we're done for another year.
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Post by Squad 51 on May 17, 2023 17:21:31 GMT -5
Yep, and then in Stockholm, Malmoe or elsewhere in Sweden.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Oct 7, 2023 14:34:23 GMT -5
With the new season of Eurovision upon us when countries begin announcing artists' names if they've been selected internally and national finals starting in December with Albania I've come up with a wish list of what I'd like to see happen during the next year's contest held in Malmo Sweden which may or may not occur that I'll list below in no particular order then.
* Have a country who's never won the contest before do so like Albania, Iceland, or Malta which would be nice to see or someplace that's not won in a long time e.g Spain, France, or Finland as Sweden's now won it most times in recent years being 2012, 2016, and 2023 which if they did again in 2024 would be boring and generic for me.
* Don't have Mans Zelmerlow or Petra Mede host again but new people this time as they've hosted together already and Petra hosted one time on her own before that.
I'd like to see people not known prior and learn about them as I'm sure Sweden has many music or TV personalities who can do that instead.
* Remove pre-recorded vocals and bring back live voices only because it is a singing contest as well as a performance show and having artists sing live tells people who are good and not good in their eyes.
* Bring back juries for both semi-finals so creditable songs that won't get through on televoting alone do so allowing a good mixture of numbers to have a fair chance of winning overall but there must be caveats to stop the bribing which occurred between certain nations voting for others in 2022.
Firstly the number of jurors is increased from 5 to between 10-14 per delegated entry.
Those people must be experienced in a particular style of music and have more than one genre featured to be labelled as a jury like pop, rock, classical/opera, r and b/hip hop/soul, musical theatre, alternative music, and traditional music.
Any person who competed but didn't win their national final is not counted in this category.
The number of jurors from one country can be known to the general public and what genre they're experienced in but not who they are to protect their identities.
Nations aren't in the same room when voting so everyone chooses on their merit and isn't influenced by what other folks like.
And finally, the reason why nations voted in a particular order whoever they liked is known e.g. better vocals or staging, consistent timing, or grander melody.
* Showcase more songs in native tongues which I like as that makes entries unique and is a way people learn foreign languages although I do understand why countries send songs in English because it's easier to know and has more chances of winning overall.
* Have new European countries in the contest like Kazakhstan emitting more diversity.
* More places have not been afraid of sending alternative music like Serbia in the past couple of years.
* Greater love given to outside-of-the-box or EDM songs which don't do well and not so much pop songs unless any particular entries are outstanding then.
One way of doing that is to have jurors experienced in those genres.
* Change how running orders are selected so fewer entries that mightn't do as well as better-liked ones get more points themselves.
* And use a live orchestra to complement number 3 which I enjoyed before pre-recorded instrumentation came in though I do know that won't ever happen again because of budget and everything.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Dec 21, 2023 7:30:06 GMT -5
Multi-award-winning artist and actor Olly Alexander formally of the band Year's And Year's will represent the UK at the 2024 Eurovision Song Contest in Malmo Sweden. eurovision.tv/story/its-olly-alexander-united-kingdom-eurovision-2024Olly sprung the surprise news during the Grand Final of BBC One’s Strictly Come Dancing to a delighted studio audience and millions of viewers watching across the United Kingdom. ‘I’ve loved watching Eurovision ever since I was a little kid and I’m beyond excited to be taking part next year. As a young boy I always looked forward to this incredible event of unbridled joy, the wonderfully chaotic mix of musical styles, theatrical performances, heartfelt emotion and humour. I really can’t believe I’m going to be a part of such a special legacy and fly the flag for the UK in the gayest way possible, it shall be an honour! I’ve wanted to do this for a long time and it feels like the right moment to start releasing music under my own name. I’m determined to give it everything I’ve got and put on an excellent and unforgettable performance for you all!’ www.instagram.com/_u/ollyalexanderr/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=c20fc3a9-fcc0-4241-96d2-81b4e57a27db&ig_mid=20FDE01A-FFB2-46DF-963E-19F2F3AC9E11About Olly Alexander. As he embarks on the first release under his own name, Olly Alexander remains one of the world's most trailblazing modern pop stars. Across three hugely successful albums to date, the singer, actor and fashion icon has scored two #1 UK albums, 10 UK Top 40 singles and was recently awarded the BRIT Billion Award (with 6.5 billion streams globally). With Years & Years evolving into a solo project and, in 2024, a brand new solo era, Olly has become a once-in-a-generation voice: the Russell T Davies show It's A Sin won Best New Drama at the National Television Awards, with Olly also nominated for Leading Actor at the 2022 BAFTA Television Awards. Having headlined arenas and festivals worldwide - not to mention collaborating with the likes of Sir Elton John, Kylie, and Pet Shop Boys - Olly Alexander's icon-status recently saw him immortalised at Madame Tussauds London: a fitting home for a pop star who has helped change British culture forever, and now represents the United Kingdom on the Eurovision Song Contest stage. Olly's UK Eurovision song, co-written with Danny L Harle, will be revealed in due course. The Eurovision Song Contest will take place in Malmö, Sweden on Tuesday 7 May (First Semi-Final), Thursday 9 May (Second Semi-Final) and Saturday 11 May (Grand Final) 2024.
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Post by Melinda Halliwell on Dec 21, 2023 7:40:52 GMT -5
For this to be announced early means something that the BBC is taking Eurovision seriously after Mae Muller's result earlier in May.
Olly's signed up with Polydor Records who represent ABBA and Loreen in the UK so that holds some weight for him.
He's an avid supporter of LBGTQ having starred in the miniseries It's A Sin based on the Aids pandemic in early '80s UK and has performed live at Glastonbury and New Year's Eve Lomdon 2021.
His song will be electro-synth pop-inspired which will be released in the new year.
I have a couple of Year's And Year's songs and do like Olly's so we shall see how he fares come May time then.
People are already more optimistic about this than Mae predicting a good result like Sam Ryder last year whether we make the left-hand side of the board or come in the top 10 it will be good to see us do well again.
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